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Hello, this was from 60 plans for small layouts and is designed to fit in an alcove. It has "Festiniog overtones" and has extremely high scenic potential.

Mr. Freezer does not give any more details. Hope this helps.

jjb 1970, you said you were familiar with the levels of poverty in Indonesia in the 1940s. Was this really a quest?

I presumed you meant you had actually been there. My mistake.

Don't think this has been posted before, published a couple of days ago:

 

Well, this is obviously the railroads fault. As some posters on here will tell you, there is no such thing as a stupid motorist!

I am familiar with the levels of poverty in Indonesia in the 1990's, it wasn't pretty. And poverty in a country like Indonesia is full on horrible poverty, not the relative poverty that defines poverty in this part of the world. We have full on poverty in the UK and other wealthy countries, you see it in the rough sleepers around our cities, but the majority of people classed as being in poverty here have access to healthcare, their children will be educated and although their dwellings may not be especially salubrious in Western terms they tend to live in accommodation which would be considered luxurious in large parts of the world and have access to clean water and food. None of those things are the case for the poor and poverty stricken in other parts of the world. Poverty levels have been steadily reducing in large parts of the world not because of charitable organisations and foreign aid but because of commerce, this may not be what many want to believe but rapacious corporations have lifted more people out of poverty as a result of their drive for profit and growth (or as some would say, greed) than all the well intentioned hand outs and aid. So to claim that only the wealthy have benefitted from globalisation is demonstrably incorrect. I remember China in the early 1990's and it was pretty much a third world country, I go to China now and ask myself which is really the less developed country? I am seeing countries like the Philippines which were once a bye word for extreme deprivation steadily develop and improve living standards for their people.

Cobblers.

The working class people of the western world did NOT cause poverty in other parts of the world. They are not responsible for any of it, but they are now paying the price. The wealthy DO NOT. Witness top executive pay rises of an average 11% in the UK last year.

Indonesians lived in poverty when their "leaders" lived in absolute luxury, they didn't share the wealth.

Indonesia is an energy rich country and yet according to the UN although poverty is decreasing abject poverty of some of the population is getting worse, check your facts before pontificating. And don't think living there gives you the full picture, it never does. Been there done that!

Try going to Detroit or Pittsburgh and telling them how beneficial the greedy companies are, but you had best be in an armoured car!

However I agree with you completely regarding foreign aid. It is both paternalistic and frequently lands in the wrong pockets anyway. 

That's the perspective in the mature economies, it's not how people see it in the emerging economies. I am in Indonesia just now, the country has been transformed over the last last 20 years, there is a large and growing middle class and people's lives and hopes for the future are far better. I see the same trajectory in other emerging economies. There is no race to the bottom, if there is a race then it is a race to the middle. Since people in Western Europe, North America and certain other countries see globalisation as a threat and blame it for hurting working people and the poor, there is a world outside these areas that see's the opposite.

The real winners in globalisation are the wealthy, once wage levels reach an unacceptable amount in places like Indonesia the movers and shakers will look elsewhere. By then it could then be the west. Just look what Caterpillar did when they bought EMD, close the London Onterio plant and move ir to Fort Worth and pay much lower wages.

I will agree with you the next time an unmoving objects leaps at a vehicle.

And yet the law recognises that large, unlit objects on roads are dangerously hard to see at night, hence the longstanding legal requirement to light at least some of them, regardless of whether road users are driving within the limit of their headlamps or not. Sorry folks, but it's not just hooligans like me who think it's unreasonable to lay this one on the motorist.[/quote

I don't recall any unmoving dark objects attacking vehicles!

Except for those bloody lamp posts that keep sticking a foot out, or is that just walking home from the pub?

It was an observation.

 

As a straw poll - how many of us would keep under 50 on an unlit motorway or fast dual carriageway?

 

My observations would suggest it's somewhere close to none of us.

 

I see, you are thinking about the type of idiot who passed me on the M54 , going like the clappers in thick fog. I agree there are a lot of very stupid people driving around.

That is why the death and injury toll is so high!

Not policing the roads does not help. I mean loads of drivers can't even figure out how the indicators work, or what they are for.

I am beginning to think that are some models they must be an optional extra!

I just saw a policewoman drive through a red light, no blue lights just couldn't be bothered following the law she is supposed to uphold.

I wonder if it is possible to but an Daimler Dingo and prep it for the road?

 

 

 

 

 

Then just about everybody doing 50+ on an unlit dual carriageway or motorway at night is going too fast....

 

Speed limits are the maximum speed allowed not the speed you must travel at, how difficult is this?

Is there any way to make people acknowledge that the driver of any vehicle is responsible for what happens to that vehicle when it is moving, unless some other stupid driver hits him or her?

It is no help if you can say you didn't see something if you are dead.

Just read on anther forum that 66413 has gone into the paint shop to receive orange and black.

Can't make my mind up about this!

The danger of being overprotective, if kids don't discover danger in small ways then unfortunately it can happen in big ways.

This doesn't just apply to railways.

Hahahahahahahahaha! That's brilliant.

 

So advanced tickets only now, as the computer has to know what train you're on. How do you allocate the tickets? Is no one allowed to catch a train from East Croydon into London ever again, as they're all full on arrival?

Ah, so in your world what is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander, then? How dispiriting. Still, I suppose it always makes us all feel better to administer a good kicking to someone who can act as the scapegoat.

 

Paul

Telling the complainant to stop complaining is just wrong. I know the politicians share responsibility he should have stud up to them.

Anyway what kind of sauce should one use with goose?

Paul

I suppose you could lead by example. Tell us what your salary is and what you do, and we’ll see if we can find a few newspaper hacks to give us a running commentary on how everything is your fault, before we discuss among ourselves whether or not you’re over-paid?

The man fell on his sword, ffs. How many pints of blood do you want?

Paul

And yes that pay packet is over pay!

If you take a job like this and screw it up then the journalists can and should jump all over you.

Think how much this man has received during the time he has performed this role. If you want to show sympathy then show it to the people who have been messed about for years by the company run by this bloke.

If he feels abused then he will be doing so in comfort!

Don't try and pick on people who complain about the overpaid failures!

Just a few disgruntled folk in Stroud! Nice!!

OK, ClikC this really is way off the reality.

What really happens is that a robot or robots are installed, low skill jobs go.

Engineering staff are trained to program and maintain the robots, plus they are linked to the manufacturer in case of any serious problems.

This does the job well, in the real world. I have neither worked for or installed automation for any firm that behaved in the way you are talking about.

What you are saying may apply to something that is government run, possible.

Any company that is in business to make money would just laugh at that idea!

As a real example - A ten station packing robot installed.

50 low skill jobs gone (for ever).

Company engineering staff trained on robot.

Extra people employed -ZERO.

Payback time for cost of machine 12 months.

I believe rose tinted glasses were mentioned relief in this topic.

The idea that other jobs will be created sounds nice. Try travelling through Spain, Portugal or Greece and you will find the reality very different.

Oh, and large parts of the UK!

Eliminate the human being from everything, and how is he/she going to earn the money to buy all the things the driverless trains and trucks are distributing? (CJL)

Not just the transport industry either. It is already happening in other industries and a lot of people are not aware of it.

Good luck coming up with the answer.

Speaking as an atheist, can we talk about trains and people, you know real things..

1 The train is no good if people can jump out of it at will.

2 Partitions in carriages may prevent mass panic.

3 Banning back packs on public transport might help?

4 No it won't!!

Unfortunately this and other occurrences prove that the terrorists work is done. What about individual transport pods?

I can't help but think that instead of getting rid of guards operating companies should be hiring more, preferably of the big strapping variety.

It's no use using words like reasonable or is it legal when people panic.

Panic frequently kills more than the action causing the panic.

The Old Testament is a book put together to guide people and help them live a good life.

It's an old book from a time when smiting and righteousness were the norm.

Some folk don't seem able to move forward from that time!

To Russ p

I'm talking about all of the people on here who were insulting the thoughtless passengers on the train!

You are right, that Penny livery looks stunning!

Those paying customers, who keep the railway employees employed, have all the right to complain if they don't get what they have paid for.

They don't have to know how it works. If they buy a ticket to point A and the train should get there in an hour, then that is what they should get! Any exception to this should be explained fully to these "thick" individuals who just happen to be the reason the passenger railway exists.

I find the contempt for passengers from railway employees is disgraceful, and don't tell me I don't have to work with them. When anybody is paid to do a job and doesn't like it they should change their job.

Every job in the world would be easier if one did not have to deal with customers.

Hello Shortliner,

I'm fairly sure, probably, that the layout I mean was "Build it in n scale" and was based around the Chicago area. It was featured in the January Issue of Model Trains Airfix mag. Issue no.1.

It featured a station named after a lake, help me out here,, and a Chicago and Northwestern commuter train.

It a also had exchange sidings and industries. As you can probably tell it had a big impact on me!

Cheers Paul