mikeandnel

Hello Richard

Thanks for the posting. Hayling Island terminus in 7mm must be some thing to see. My problem, despite age and infirmity, is that I have built so much stock over the past 40 years, that to change to 7mm would require a pantechnicon, but I would probably be able to see 7mm easier!

There should be an update on my project shortly but a lot of what has been done recently is detail work, which does not seem to make much difference to the appearance of the layout.

But I know it is there!. Incidentally we both seem to modelling the same (Craven and Stroudley)

Regards

Michael

Hello Andy

What sort of cost is involved?. Is it a one piece mounding?

How much of Midhurst are you hoping to build? I have seen a 3mm version of the LSWR station but there is no 4mm version that I am aware of.

The amount of room that you have would be ideal for that station with a fiddle yard.

I am working with 10' x 8'  for the LBSCR station 

'N' gauge is a mystery to me, probably because I can't see it. I know there are some rtr items of stock available, but you may have to consider scratchbuilding.

The LSWR yard and loco shed would give you plenty of challenges with shunting and  timetabled running, especially if you use a fiddleyard to suggest the connection with the LBSCR station on the other side of the Bepton Road.

Only a suggestion

Michael

Batrapyr

Many thanks for your posting. Concerning the name 'Denyer', It certainly is a local name here in Midhurst and well recognised as such

Concerning the saffron yellow window and door frames, this was this was originally a political statement by the rather Liberal 2nd Viscount Cowdray, so if you can date him, then that will answer your query about the date that this came into being.

Richard78

Thanks for your posting. Yes, I live in Midhurst about 100 yards from the site of the 1881 station.

Eric Gates has compiled an article for the next Brighton Circle Modellers Digest, and hopefully there will be more to follow.

Your model of Hayling Island sound to be very interesting and the photo of the train is very evocative of the period.

The rolling stock seems to be from 5and9 (is that correct?) but is the loco from a kit or scratchbuilt?

What gauge are you modelling to? Mine is EM gauge as you know. Also where are you located?

Regularity and Edwardian, 

Thanks for the postings

Killian Keane

That drawing of the 0-4-2 is very useful and has set me on course to find some way of scratchbuilding it. This also applies to 'Egmont', a drawing of which I received yesterday. And then there is number 400!!!

Where does it end?

On Midhurst 1866 the passenger footbridge over  Bepton Road has been built and installed. Next to do is the fencing from the station to the footbridge.. Also installed are gradient posts and a 'Stop' sign from the LSWR connection.

I am assuming that there would have ben only one signal at the end of the platform (Starter) and the presumption is that all other internal junctions would have been controlled by points indicators. Still trying to work out a wiring diagram for these when they are built so that the lights on each side will change fro red to green dependant on the direction of the point setting. Then I have to build them!!!

More photos to follow later

Well that sparked some quick reactions and some useful comment. Thanks very much

Compound 2632: Many thanks for the link to the 1895 map. I had not seen this particular map and it does show a signal at the end of the platform which is a 'first' for me to build and place.

                            Bear in mind that the curve south towards Chichester did not exist in 1870, and the line to the east was single after the connection to the engine shed.

The Johnster: Point taken  but it is the possible positioning of post and ground signals which is what I need for my period.

Paul RhB: I think that you are correct is suggesting that all goods shunts would involve the main (only) line, and the signalling for the connection to the LSWR headshunt

                 would be particularly interesting, if I knew what it entailed. You are also right about the wagon turntables, which is something I had not considered.

St. Enodoc. Thanks. I have been a member for some years and they have not been able to help up to now.

Any more suggestions or comments could be helpful

Thanks to all who posted.

I would like to refer back to one of the earliest posts where someone mentioned the idea that this forum could be used for members to post their layout plans and ask for advice on where and what signalling should be placed, both normal post and ground signals.

My layout has now reached the point where signalling needs to be added, but the only plan that I have was supplied by NRM and does not show the signalling.

The layout is of an LBSCR terminus with a link to the adjoining LSWR station and the period being modelled is 1860-1870

The black lines are the only tracks that were actually laid, and the white tracks were never installed

If anyone has any helpful advice about where to place the signalling, It would be very helpful

I am sure there will be questions and I can probably answer most of them

What is a BR Standard class? Sounds modern image to me!

Killian Keane

You are correct as always. 'Brigand' is an interloper

Edwardian

Stick with what satisfies you. I wish I could  still do the things that were easy years ago. Castle Aching makes me very envious.

It has taken me forty years to realise the dream of 'doing' Midhurst LBSCR 1866, as I have never seen anyone else do it

Thanks both for the encouragement.

Michael

Thanks Gary, there are still a lot to come

Michael

Not a lot to add to my previous posting. Many small jobs have been done, such as painting and adding loco crews to several of the locos (photos to follow below) but you will understand that trying to paint a figure about 24mm high has been difficult for me, due to the shakes, and in fact I have managed about one every day! I used to be able to knock these out by the dozen! Anyway it passes the time.

The big jobs that have been achieved are the replacement of the Stroudley water crane with a more correct Craven water crane with the help of Mike Waldron, who just happened to have one surplus to requirements. This is now in place.

Ian has placed a lot of the boundary fencing along the back of the layout, and in fact also turned up with a small diorama which is now in position against the fence. This shows a break in the colour of the fencing, and comprises a man standing painting the fence, with a wheelbarrow and drum of paint behind him and his mate sitting on the handles of the wheelbarrow. Apparently his mates job is to tilt the drum when more paint is required!

More work has been done on the Bepton Road part of the layout, including the erection of the bridge, but it is not yet ready for showing, as it is unfinished.

As not much else has been done, so  I am showing the locos that have had crews added below

This is an EB Models etched brass kit

Sharpes no 90 shunting a cattle wagon into the dock

Scratch built many years ago 

Visiting Well Tank from the other side of the Bepton Road bridge, scratch built by me many years ago

Apologies for the quality of the photos.

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Hello Alex

I have to agreee that whenever I go on to Andrew Stadden's website, I feel like a child in a sweetshop!

His figures are very relevant to what I am doing and my wife is actually enjoying painting the ladies in crinolines, to be placed on the platform

Certainly your name must be a 'spin-off' from his or vice versa

Michael

Nick

I am very grateful for the info and pictures of the various water cranes. I think, for authenticity, that I should try to replace the Stroudley with a Craven.

But that price of £12.50 sounds ridiculous!

Thanks again. I see Gary is also taking an interest.

Michael

Hello Nick

Many thanks for the explanation of the water crane variations. Luckily my layout is intended to be used between 1866 and 1899 (with a bit of licence) but if I could find a Craven water crane, the Stroudley one would be replaced. If you could find pictures of the Craven ones, it might be possible to fabricate same.

Michael 

Hello Penlan

I don't know the answer, but if you look at images on Google for 'Stroudley water crane' they all appear to be that long. This one is from a 5and9 kit

Michael

Hello Penlan

There is only the single platform track. The adjacent track is a run-round.

So the loco would pull into the platform, uncouple, run on to the turntable.

Off the turntable, run round the train, back up to the train at the other end, and take on water at that stage of the proceedings

So only needed for one track

Michael

Well, I have managed to make a little progress by myself today. Firstly I have been able to finish another 5and9 kit of a Stroudley water crane. Ian made up the black water hose last week as I had built and painted the crane but couldn’t do the tissue paper part.

Anyway   we have come forward in date to where Mr Stroudley has had this installed on the platform at Midhurst

Having had it installed complete with drain, he has now come down to Midhurst in ‘Inspector’ to make sure that the job has been done properly , and here he is standing on the platform with ‘Inspector’ waiting in the adjacent headshunt. The figure of Mr Stroudley is an Andrew Stadden figure, painted by Ian.

Other small things done are the provision of drains under each downpipe on the station building due to complaints from passengers about pools of water on the platform.

More to follow

Hello Gary

Yes, 'Inspector' is from 5and9 Models. It was an interesting project to motorise but well worth the trouble!!

Michael

Hello Gary

Following the comments about 'Inspector', I thought you might like to see my version.

Number plates still to be fitted

Michael

Hello Argos. Glad you liked the loco

Killean Keane. Thanks for the post. The loco is my interpretation of an early 'Sharps Single' for the LBSCR

Here we are Sunday again and this week has been one of mixed fortunes.

On Thursday I went to Imperial College Hospital in London to see the top Neuro-Surgeon in UK about my Parkinsons, and the upshot of the meeting is that there is nothing that can be done. Apparently to operate using either ultrasound or deep brain stimulation would cause bleeding in the brain, and they were not prepared to put me through that risk. So I am stuck with it!!

Anyway on a lighter note, the Bepton Road, which runs at the far end of the layout, has been constructed, installed and sceniced by Ian and a nice job done. The surface is gravelled, as it would have been at the time, and this was done using Chinchilla Dust

The bridge over the Bepton Road is ready to be installed and another footbridge has to be constructed for the foot passengers travelling onward from either direction from the LBSCR to LSWR or bice-versa. The paling fence which bordered the LBSC side of the connecting footpath is ready for putting into place.

Apart from that,  more greenery and some flowers have been added to the hillsides and fallen scree to the base of the cutting.

Ihave been given some homework by Ian, who expects me to be able to paint three train crews by the time of his next visit. Dream on!!

Another loco for you to look at

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Hello LNWR18901910

Thanks for your input and sentiments. During my research I have come across a lot of info about how the railways round Midhurst were intended to be. I have come across nine different proposed lines and their plans ,and this place would really have been a railway hub if they had all been built

Thanks Gareth. I agree with your sentiment.

Fairway Junction, thanks for the encouragement. Much appreciated.

I think that perhaps I have a little more room than you, having seen your YouTube entries ,but I am only using two walls of the room.

Are you located near to Midhurst?

Michael

Hello Gareth

Wish I could claim the same but as Midhurst was an obscure terminus almost on the Sussex/Hampshire border ,so to run my South Eastern stock would be stretching things a bit far, Much as I would like to able to.

Perhaps I can do it when no-one is looking!

It would be good to see Rule No.1 evoked so that it can all take a turn!  But, I am not suggesting that you devote precious modelling time to photographing models just for our gratification when you have a layout to work on!

 

It is so refreshing to see an earlier period.  Following this topic is filling a hole left by Mike Sharman's layout, which was often photographed for books and periodicals in my youth, and which I found captivating, but which now seems long-gone.  

 

There is not a lot of pre-1900 stuff around, and especially pre-1875 (which the Era/Epoch system does not admit as "pre-Grouping" but which is held, rather inappropriately in my view, to be "Pioneering"!  One day, I might have mastered the skills to 'go early', but, for now, I do enjoy seeing such work as yours.

 

I do hope that your SER/SECR/LCDR collection finds a good, sympathetic and appropriate home on a period layout somewhere. Some layouts and stock collections should really be "preserved for the Nation"!

I have never aspired to the standard that Mike Sharman attained, but do remember talking to him on many occasions and several of my earlier models did incorporate either his wheels, gearboxes or both. His model making was out of this world.

Personally I refer to all pre-1923 as pre-grouping but, of course, amalgamations were going on right from day ! with small companies building lines which they then found they could not afford to run. Even what I am doing started off as the Mid Sussex and Midhurst Junction Railway

I have been exclusively a Brighton man for many years now, but before that I went through a South Eastern phase, and before that an LSWR phase, so I now have so much stock, that I don't know what to do with it!

But now Brighton it is.