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Hi Simon,

the damaged track is unrelated to this incident - it's near Salford Central. Previously mentioned in post#10

 

Cheers,

Mick

Hi Mick,

All I can say is doh! Missed that bit.

Cheers

Simon

An update: A fireman at the scene stated that the train had run approx 150m derailed.

 

Looking at the plan of the layout, it appears the train was travelling on the 'Up Bolton' in the Down direction - ie wrong road. This would put the point of derailment on the entry to the sharp left hand curve coming off the viaduct, whereupon the loco derailed to the right.

 

There is no pointwork in the vicinity of the derailment, nor did the loco cross any pointwork whilst derailed (although it would not of needed to travel much further before it did) so track damage should hopefully be limited.

Just looked on the Manchester Evening News website and it is stating that a vital piece of trackwork has been damaged and could spell weeks of misery for passengers, does not sound good.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/several-trains-were-cancelled-after-1238797

This has been quoted from National Rail, suspect they mean Network Rail?

Cheers

Simon

There was some more WCRC stock +47 sticking out of the TP Depot at Ardwick this afternoon. Are they having some work done there?

WCRC have some of their tyre turning undertaken on the wheel lathe at Ardwick.

Simon

Hi Tim,

Great pictures, really like the shot of 86206 at BNS and 97204.

Cheers

Simon

Hi Mick,

Your WCRC stock move could be for tyre turning at Ardwick, Carnforth to Ardwick TMD via Blackmill.

Cheers

Simon.

Hi,

Another to consider is A1 brass turned buffers A13, I have used them on 9 VEA's so far. Think they are available from MG Sharp models.

Cheers

Simon

I was going to try and resist temptation and hold off from buying one of these, however, don't think that will happen. A business trip into Liverpool I think is required, with a diversion via Smithdown Road. Failing that, I could always pick one up at the Wigan Exhibition in June!

Cav, that 85 you have renumbered and weathered looks brilliant, I cannot wait to see it on Outon Road.

Cheers

Simon

Hi Boris,

Your class 20 looks very good and certainly worth all the hard work! Will be good to see it painted.

Cheers

Simon

Showing as due in the next 60 days on the Bachmann website.

 

Maybe i need to get on with a couple of barrier vehicles........

 

Cheers,

Mick

Hi Mick,

You will need some brake force runners either end aswell as Desiros can only be hauled unbraked, there are no suitable translator vehicles if my memory is correct.

Cheers

Simon

Given that they were built after the SWT fleet (and the 334s!) - why would they have re-engineered the design and changed the structure to remove the capability?

Ok, maybe the structure is the same, after all they were going to use cars from 460's to increase the length of the 458's as you have stated above. I have not worked on a 460 so do not know the power distribution and geography of the train. Maybe a 460 could well be converted to work on 25Kv with the right amount of time and investment, but until that point it is a 3rd rail unit only just like a 450/444/458 etc and not a ready to go dual voltage unit (319/350 etc) or indeed ac unit. Given how it looks at the front it should stay on the southern!

I suggest we bring back the 87's from abroad top and tailed with Mk1's and Mk2's in good old banger blue! Shame the 304 and 305's have all gone.

Cheers

Simon

I wouldn't expect them to be fundamentally different to a 458, pan well or no pan well.

If they have not designed the train to use 25Kv from the outset, I'd expect the underframe has not been designed to hang the weight of a transformer and associated equipment from it which would be required, if the space is available on the trailer cars that is.

Cheers

Simon

Edit, just found this: http://www.porterbrook.co.uk/images/pic_library/pdf/Class%20460.pdf

Derek - they are not just third rail options.

 

The 460s are dual voltage units, (albeit with no pantograph fitted at present,) and they are currently sat out of use in storage - whilst there's been a plan to break them up to lengthen other Junipers on SWT for a while now there are other options which would allow them to be used elsewhere. I suspect they may be the only spare AC capable units 'right now' until the Stanstead 317s are released.

My understanding with the 460's were that they are only 3rd rail, there is no pantograph well in the roof unless it has been covered over? I know the class 458's were built with the option of using 25Kv (as per majority of new build 3rd rail emus), and hence these do have a pantograph well in the roof.

Cheers

Simon

Hello all,

 

I thought that this thread was about the electrification in to Manchester and on to Leeds. Not about Reading and the south.

 

If you think about how the railway is now run. We have two main lines from London to Glasgow & Edinburgh that are electrified, but we still have "vomit comets" running with Diesel engines under the wires. From approx Birmingham to the north.

 

Would it be to much or to costly to have these units as duel type traction i.e. Diesel where no wires are in place and run with electric when the wires are in place?

 

OzzyO.

Hi OzzyO,

Bombardier are currently evaluating the requirements for a additional vehicle with a pantograph and transformer which would be inserted into the current 220/221 fleet. In theory it should work as the traction propulsion system on the 220/221 is very similar to the class 390.A class 222 7 car set may actually require 2 additional vehicles due to the number of motored vehicles,a transformer on each new car drawing supply from one pantograph as per class 390 (The eleven car 390's have 3 transformers for example). Therefore it would be able to work from the OHLE as you suggest and on diesel were no wires are present.

Cheers

Simon

Hmmm, that Blue 85 is very nice, I think I will be having a few of those, the pantograph is very good, the model looks spot on. Just needs some fire damage on the bodysides!

Cheers

Simon

Hi Boris,

Your MMP 08 looks like it is coming together well. I keep meaning to buy one myself as I have seen quite a few made up and they always look good. With regards keeping the brass clean whilst working, I made the same mistake with my 56 build. Is your 08 going to be in BR Blue?

Cheers

Simon

Hi Rob,

I passed at 0945 and 60099 was certainly there then. When coming home this afternoon, there was an EWS 60 there but not sure of the number.

Cheers

Simon

Presumably the number won't be re-used if it gets scrapped. Isn't there a gap in the Freightliner 66s where one got scrapped after an accident?

 

JE

The replacement may well be numbered as 70012. This loco will not have had all the VAB paperwork completed, so technically 70012 may not be on registered on the system yet. Also, 158861 IIRC had one vehicle written off after a collision with a run away class 47 (47343, it was the reason for 47300 being converted from 47468). The new class 158 vehicle which was built as a replacement took the old vehicles identity (52861???).

Cheers

Simon

There have been small fires in the air conditioning module on mk3's in the past, which is mounted in the underframe. The fire brigade were usually called out, although damage to the vehicle bodyside was limited to black smoke marks rather than severe heat damage i.e damaged flaking paint etc.

Simon

This seems to have gone a bit quiet - anybody got any info ??

I e-mailed Flangeway this week and the reply was that some would be available at the Wigan show over the 12/13th Dec. No details given on liveries or vehicle running numbers.

Simon

Sorry Ian,

I was getting mixed up with Seacows and Sealions, I have just re-read your OP (one and only is quite clear). I was thinking of the Seacows you were building on RMweb3.

Simon

Hi Pete

 

Are you thinking of Dan Randells class 52 build on the old forum? I don't think he's transfered it over to here yet.

 

You are quite right that there is no smoke or rad fan working. I did a rad fan in a JLTRT 37 and to be honest it does not do much for me. Niether does smoke. As you said I tried it but it still does not look convincing enough to me. I just stick to lights these days. Lets be honest these models sit on a shelf 99.9% of the time so I just want them to look the part.

Hi Brian, superb work again as always! I agree with you about the fans and smoke. I was looking at doing my 56 as lights, sound working fans etc, but as it will spend most of its days on a display shelf, I will probably just maybe stick to lights now.

Cheers

Simon

Looking good Ian, how many more Sealions have you got left to build?

Simon

I am trying to see what they would be trading under as Flangeway not on the warley traders list?

Seems strange as Flangeway Models is listed at the Wigan Show in December, which is were I will be picking my Mermaids up from. Maybe another trader at Warley has agreed to sell these for Flangeway or its a typo on the Warley advert???

Cheers

Simon