daryl43068

Did you just order the Chassis or either of the G1 bodies ?

 

I've built one and it runs a treat.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/57208-sandy-gn-lnwr-or-bre/page-13

Starts around page 13  for a couple of pages. Let me know if you need anything.

Thanks Dave! Just the chassis for now, I plan on scratch building the body, although the 3D printed body looks very nice! Thanks for sharing your progress on your G1, will certainly help when I come round to motorising it!

Fantastic work! Just found this thread and been scrolling through, your work is very inspiring! Thanks for sharing your G1 chassis on Shapeways, I ordered one the other day, looking at scratch-building a G1 with a rake of D3D coaches.

Keep up the good work!

Fantastic work!

The end coaches will be longer as the body goes over the bogie, and not upto it as per an intermediate end. 

sga962, have you tried using the arc tool instead of the circle in SketchUp? I found that worked for me.

Can't help with the etches but the bogies are available as spares http://www.petersspares.com/Hornby-x3450-eurostar-articulated-coach-bogie.ir

Im not too genned up on Eurostars, but the Hornby intermediate coaches, could you not chop the non articulated end off and make it articulated? Just a thought.

Thank you to all that have helped me through the project, can't believe I forgot to post photos of the finished result!

47475

Mk2a FK 13445

Mk1 NEA 92092

Shed line-up

The rake

The 47 and FK were complete re-sprays, with the rest of the rake having the lower body panel re-sprayed Executive Light Grey (the NEA was a standard Bachmann NEA and the TSO the Model Rail Regional Railway Limited Edition TSOs). I finished them off just as Model Rail announced their Trans-Pennine specials!

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Daryl

Looking forward to watching this develop!

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Daryl

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately I can't see the pictures, they say 'Upgrade to Plus for additional bandwidth'

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Daryl

What are the blocks under the buffer beam either side of the coupling? Mounting holes for electrical stuff from it's EPS days?

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Daryl

Nice bit of modelling there,

Its nice to see wheelsets modelled properly, not just painted brown and chucked on a layout!

I wish Toton was like that now!

Excellent modelling there Alex, well done!

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Daryl

Hi Alex,

The buffer stops are a bit dirty, everything gets dirty! They also have massive cracks in from various rough shunts over the years!

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Daryl

I have just spent the last couple of hours browsing through most of this thread. What an inspirational layout. Great to see some of the historical photos and descriptions too.

 

Just a question regarding the Trans-Pennine liveried MKIIs. Are these Regional Railways versions with titles replaced, or actual Trans-Pennine liveried examples? From what I have been told, the Trans-Pennine livery differed from RR in that the lower grey was InterCity grey.

This thread might help

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/45179-regional-railway-trans-pennine-provincial-livery-help/page__fromsearch__1

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Daryl

What a cracking layout!

Thank you for that mjkerr!

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Daryl

Thank you for sharing Giz!

Does anyone know what sort of Mk2 the FK is in this shot? (A B or C). Im not sure of the differences between them, although Mk2As have two toilets at one end.

Would the Bachmann FK be suitable? My Bachmann FK has a centre door as per the photo. Took me by supprise as most of the FKs are the non centre door type as per the Lima model (like Giz's above)

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Daryl

As above, that is ScotRail livery (upper dark grey and blue stripe inline with InterCity red stripe)

 

I have now found a more comprehensive list of BG coaches based at HT (Heaton) in TransPennine livery

92044, 92058, 92089, 92137, 92204, 92248, 92317

I note that Farish produced a BG in Regional Railways livery (no logos) numbered 92058

I had one, but no longer have it (as it didn't suit)

Again, I suspect this is what causes the confusion as this is one of the BG coaches which carried TransPennine livery and the majority did not carry logos

As there was no logo carried it would have been easy enough to clean 92248 (the final BG to carry this livery) and then apply Regional Railways logos for publicity purposes

No mention of 92092? As far as I know, this was the only BG to carry the Trans-Pennine branding ('British Railways Mark 1 Coaches' by Keith Parkin and also Lima did a model of it)

Photo of 92092

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Daryl

Thank you all for your assistance and help! it is really appreciated!!

I will make a start soon by re-spraying the lower band on the BG Executive Light Grey and re-numbering 92092 and branding Trans-Pennine.

I will set a workbench thread under 'RMweb> Modelling Zone> Skills and Knowledge Centre> Kitbuilding at Scratchbuilding seeing as many other people put their Workbench thread there, and post a linky here. I'm not having a blog, can't got on with them!!

Many thanks once again for your help everyone!!

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Daryl

Many thanks for posting the photos Derek! that is a real help!! You can defiantly see the Executive Light Grey in the lower photo.

Thanks for confirming Trains4U, that the 'grey' is more of a mushroom colour!

Just for the record, when the coaches transferred to Regional Railways and received that branding, the lower band was changed to the 'Silver Grey' as per Bachmann's Mk1s, probably why Bachmann wanted to put silver on Trains4u's 150s?

Once again everyone thanks for your help! It is really much appreciated!

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Daryl

Thank you for taking the time to look at your charts mjkerr! It is really much appreciated!

Please don't think I'm being arrogant or questioning your advice, but is the InterCity Executive Light Grey is a mushroom colour. I have a sample of 'official' Executive Light Grey, which I have compared to a Lima Mk3 in INTERCITY livery, and it matches, but the grey used on 47475 and matching Mk2s seems a much lighter grey.

This photo here shows 47475 and coaches, with what looks like a silver grey bottom, and coaches that match

This photo here shows Mk2 TSO E5086 in Trans-Pennine livery, which also looks like a silver grey.

And to compare, Mk1 RMB 1860 in InterCity livery has the mushroom 'Executive Light Grey' but does not match the Mk2 or 47475

As I said please don't think I'm being arrogant and I really appreciate you taking the time to look at your charts and posting, but unless 'Executive Light Grey' has changed or the painters changed the bottom colour, I cant see it as Executive Light Grey.

Many thanks for your help

Daryl

Thank you all for your help, it is really appreciated!!

I have found Railmatch 244 'Sivler Grey' 'Side/roof on later SR units and Regional units and locos.' which could be the shade Bachmann have used on the Mk1 BG, and the silver BernardTPM mentioned.

After looking through various photos of Regional Railways, I can now see the Rail Grey that Pugsley mentioned.

What I will do is get a scrap but of plasticard, and paint various shades, Exec light grey (RM200), Rail Grey (RM207) and Silver grey (RM244) and compare with a model to see which looks best.

I think its one of them problems where Rail Blue looks different on different classes and different pictures!!

Thank you once again for your help!

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Daryl

Hi All,

Apologies for the long opening post, but please bear with me,

'My question is what is the correct colour for the bottom panel of the coaches?'

I intend to model a Trans-Pennine rake of coaches comprising of a Bachmann Mk1 BG, Bachmann Mk2 FK and several Bachmann Mk2 TSOs.

I have a Bachmann Mk1 BG in Regional Railways livery, which I intend to re-number E92092 and brand 'Trans-Pennine'

The Mk2 TSOs will come from the Model Rail Regional Railways coach packs, albeit re-branded and re-numbered.

The Mk2 FK is in standard Blue- Grey livery and will remain (as the coaches were often mixed and matched).

My question is what is the correct colour for the bottom panel of the coaches? I have looked at many sources and came back with different answers.

'British Railways Mark 1 Coaches' (supplement) by Keith Parkin, page s59, states that the bottom panel for 'Provincial Trans Pennine' is light grey

'British Rail Mark 2 Coaches' by Michael Harris, page 133, states that Mk2a TSO has a 'light mushroom' bottom panel.

This photo here shows a full rake of coaches all with the same colour bottom panel.

The Bachmann Mk1 BG bottom panel is a light grey (matching with the Mk1 supplement) but a photo on page 56 of 'British Railways Mark 1 Coaches' by Keith Parkin, the colours do not match comparing the model with the book.

This photo here shows a Mk2 FK with what looks like a light grey bottom panel, that would match Bachmann's Mk1 BG, but this photo contradicts Mr Harris' book which states 'light mushroom' is used.

Railmatch paint No. 200 Executive light grey 'As used by InterCity, Scotrail and Regional Railways.' would state that bottoms of Intercity and Regional Railways coaches have the same bottom panel colour, but the Bachmann BG, Model Rail Mk2s and a Bachmann Intercity BG to compare with, all have different colour bottoms!

I understand colours look different in certain environments but I'm confused now.

Any help will be gratefully received and if you can't help thank you for staying for such a long post!!

Thank You All,

Daryl

That is some fantastic modelling Alex!

No worries Alex, I like the sound of that, not a single 66 in sight!!