Waveydavey

Do you mean Kirkleatham Mark?

If only you knew someone who gets to Tyne yard on a regular basis for work Phil..........

I'm sure Lippy already has these wagons covered but if not I can record them next time I am there in daylight.

Cheers

David

There is a nightly service from Low Fell, presumably to London. The 325 heads out after dark and is back in Tyne before daylight.

I spent last Saturday afternoon with a couple of mates one of which is a serious modeler.

 

I don't think I've ever been called a serious modeller before......

 

I've found out two things from measuring that 25 cab. Firstly I didn't take enough photos and measurements and secondly the windows on both the Bachmann and Hornby 25s are way undersized. I'm at work at the moment and don't have the exact numbers with me but they are about a millimetre out in both height and width with the small centre window height being the biggest offender.

 

It's your model so you are free to do what you think makes it look most like a 24 within the limits of your modelling skills but my advice would be to extend the centre window downwards and build the 'nose' up. If you want to go a bit more hardcore I can give you the dimensions of the 25/1 front windows and you can then take a rough guess at how much shorter the 24 windows are and resize your windows accordingly. Either way the last thing you should be doing is making the windows smaller.

 

Cheers

 

David

My latest effort is a Bachmann macaw c to a BCV. I got one and comparing to the drawing in the BR wagons vol1, it matches the BCV except for the GW brake levers and the bogies (did the GW ever use diamond frame bogies that the model was originally fitted with?).

 

I just changed the bogies for Cambrian ones, the buffers from Dave F, and smiths hooks and ambis instantiers. The brake levers came off of a BDA I had left over.

 

All that it requires now are paint and letters. Opinions anyone?

The bolsters on vac braked bogie bolster Cs are completely different to the ones on the model. They are however ok for earlier unfitted BR builds. The later pattern of bolster are fairly easy to model using some Evergreen I section strip topped with another bit of rectangular section strip. If it's not clear from the diagram in BR Wagons I can dig out the dimensions I used on mine. I think I got them from an article on bogie bolster E wagons in an old Model Railway Constructor.

I remember Bill Paul from my rostering days at Thornaby. He said he'd been a tail gunner in Lancasters during the war. Nice bloke.

7660 looks like a very nice job there.

My own 25/3 uses the centre section of a Bachmann body including the cab doors with Silver Fox cab ends.

Cheers

David

Nice work there. I had come to the conclusion that the way forward with P4 conversion on these was to get a mate with a lathe to turn down the Hornby wheels to a P4 profile. Good to see someone taking a different approach.

Just thinking it through from my own limited experience of Hornby 31s, if you filed off the pin points (and arranged new pickups) would the bogie baseplate not hold the axles in mesh well enough and allow a bit of movement to cope with P4 track? Having the wheels running in pin point bearings might make everything a little too rigid. Talking to Ian 'Penbits' recently he said it looked like Hornby had looked at springing the bogies of the 31and 50 but had backed out at the last minute.

Cheers

David

 

Stage 1 complete....order a point kit from C&L tomorrow! Does anyone know the radius of an A4 point ( I can't bring myself to call them turnouts!)

I've been working on the railway for 27 years and I've never heard a professional railwayman refer to a set of points as a turnout. Only snooty railway modellers seem to use the term.

Cheers

David

Late LMS and all the BR built vans of this type had four shoe per wheel brakes. The changeover is mentioned in one or both of the articles I referred to earlier in this thread. I'm at work at the moment so can't give a definite answer but it would be around the point when the duckets and weight boxes changed.

There may be etched 4 shoe brake gear available but I am not aware of any apart from the ones that I assume are included in Dave Bradwells LNER brake van chassis. On my BR built van that runs on Rountrees Sidings I used brake shoes salvaged from an old Airfix LNER pattern brake van kit as recommended in Ian Flemings article.

Cheers

David

I fancy one or two of these earlier vans with the shallow ballast box.

If you go for a prototype with the shallow ballast box Dave you'll more than likely need to change the duckets to the narrower early style too. Luckily Parkside will sell you them as a seperate moulding from their D.1659 brake van kit (PC49). I did this on a van I ran on Longcarse West and although I felt the need to reduce the height of the window opening to match photos they were otherwise a perfect fit.

There have been two very good articles on the LMS/BR Stanier brake van which are worth searching out.

Modellers Back Track Feb/March 1994 has an article on the prototype by Paul Bartlett

BRM July 96 has an article by Ian Fleming on modelling these vans in 4mm using the Airfix/Hornby model as a base.

Cheers

David 

I am looking for a Hornby 31 chassis for a Lima/Hornby hybrid build so if anyone has a broken but working one that they don't feel able to send back to Hornby let me know. Doesn't matter to me how bad the Mazak decay is as I can build all the good bits into the Lima chassis like James Wells did on here a few years back. All the better if it's got EM or P4 conversion wheelsets fitted.

Cheers

David

Of course, converting to P4 would mean that the stock couldn't be run on other OO layouts, such as Pallet Lane!

 

Regards,

 

Jack

Not strictly true Jack. Wagons and coaches built to P4 standards can easily run on EM or OO track with a quick swap of wheelsets due to the standard 26mm long axle but it doesn't always work the other way if brake gear has been set for OO wheels. When I went P4 I had quite a few OO Gibson wheelsets left spare which I've reset to EM back to backs so that my stock can also run on the EM layout I'm involved with 'Roundtrees Sidings'. Even the diesels are easily swapped although I will concede it may be a bit more involved for steamers.

Cheers

David

After a mildly heated debate with an  (ex)club member one night as to whether it was right to go to the hassle of building your own points in 00 when you could go P4 I have elected to stick with 00 simply because all my stock is 00 and the cost/time of conversion circa 100 items of stock is too daunting. 

I'd have to say I'd agree with your club member as it's the conclusion I came to before I started building Longcarse West and if I can do P4 anyone can. However, it's your train set and not mine so I'll happily sit back and enjoy reading how you get on with the build.

Cheers

David

P.S. 100 items of stock isn't all that much and you don't have to convert it all at once.

Strained memory time.

Stop and await instructions?

 

Mike.

Or possibly 'Stop and Telephone' or 'Stop and Proceed if Line Clear'

The signal you've been talking about Clive would have to be a permanent red with a sub as there could possibly be traffic on the reception road the train would be arriving onto. A main aspect indicates the line is clear to the next signal but a sub indicates you can proceed but be prepared to stop short of any obstruction. The sub would also be approach lit (never say that to a railway inspector though) so as to control the speed of the trains arrival onto the receptions. The thinking behind this is that if you bring a train almost to a stand before letting it onto a siding it's unlikely to come charging into the yard at 25mph and coming off on the pointwork or running into the back of anything.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

David

Good work Mark. Don't forget the vac cylinders varied in position too depending on which type of bogie was fitted.

Cheers

David

Some others have lengthened the Hornby Dublo model

Having lengthened a Wrenn grain hopper to the correct length I'm now very pleased that I'll never have to do it again. Longcarse West really needed a lot of 1/271 hoppers and so will it's replacement. I'll look forward to only having to change buffers and axleboxes around on the Bachmann ones for a bit of variety and start preparing for some scary looking weathering.

Cheers

David

Ladders and walkways are available from, I think, RT Models.

Masokits make a replacement sprung chassis but it retains the kits solebars which IMHO are the worst bit of the kit

Shawplan have been working on an all singing and dancing chassis and dress up kit but don't hold your breath waiting for it. 

Replacement buffers should be 2' Oleos or Dowtys with 16" heads depending on your prototype. Lanarkshire Models may do a suitable buffer but I'm not completely familiar with their range.

Cheers

David

.....sorry to go back to the starfish but can you tell me who manufactures the 3 link couplings and more importantly the hooks you use. The hooks appears to have a larger 'mouth' than some I've seen before and whilst my eyesight is reasonable I'd like to avoid automatic couplings on my layout if possible

 

I used Smiths hooks and links with the instanter links from Ambis. The hooks are massively overscale but to me are a good compromise for an exhibition layout. With a properly shaped shunters pole you have a good chance of coupling up first time.

Cheers

David

Good to see the conversation has moved on from my rusty starfish

Excellent modelling and attention to detail as always James. I always view your work as the benchmark I have to reach to become a proper P4 modeller.

Cheers

David

Excellent photos. I've always wondered whether departmental wagons got 'E Sc' painted on them and you've proved that they did.

Lots of interesting wagons to there to replicate for the replacement for Longcarse West.

Cheers

David

Unfortunately Waveydavey's Starfish is just out of shot. It had been the subject of several admiring comments during the show.

Many thanks to Robert, Paul and David for operating, and especially for allowing me to borrow the ex-Longcarse stock again. I hope that a plentiful supply of Tunnock's finest was sufficient recompense.

Always willing to help out with stock shortages James. And getting to play with a properly thought out and extremely well built layout is a joy too. Quite unlike the few times I've had to operate Longcarse West due to having to let the operating crew have meal and toilet breaks.

The Starfish does seem to be a bit camera shy but I've managed to find a picture from Wakefield last year. Sadly it's the side where the decals got a bit out of shape when I did the weathering. It's supposed to be in Gulf Red, based on a picture of one at Kyle that I found on t'internet, but it looks more or less the same colour as my other bauxite stock. Enjoy.

Really enjoyed seeing the layout at Nottingham today, by far my favourite layout of the show.

Cheers

David

A couple of suggested corrections to the captions you have put.

Picture 4 - the train is most likely steel sections from Etruria departing toward Middlesbrough Goods or Tees Dock for export. Skinningrove rolled special sections from steel blooms and so would not be receiving them inwards.

Picture 10 - this train is two potash wagons and ten(?) salt boxes coming out empty from Middlesbrough Goods. Potash trains from Tees Dock generally didn't run round in Tees as they would run round at Grangetown and salt only ran to M'bro Goods

Pictures 13 & 14 - Difficult to tell if the wagon loads are slab or bloom but they'll have come from Scunthorpe. My guess is that this train is 6N30 Scunthorpe to Tees and then forward to Lackenby. Nice to see my mate Andy waiting to uncouple the BDAs and SPAs from the rear. Slabs could go forward to Lackenby and Dalzell but blooms would be for either Lackenby or Skinningrove.

Nice to see some pictures of my old workplace, I really miss the place.

Cheers

David

........the next public appearance of Waterloo Street will be at DEMU Showcase on the weekend of the 2nd and 3rd of June.

I'll look forward to catching up with you there James.