Poor Old Bruce

22 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

221.108 & 221.107 ........... your 'safe' place might not be as 'safe' as you thought - those names don't appear in the 2020 Platform 5 Combo which appeared not many months later !

Looking at the state of them, those plates don't look new. They've been through the washer a few times.

Two taken 23 Nov 2019 en route to the NEC

I may have the unit numbers somewhere in a 'safe' place.

8 hours ago, lather said:

Never knew about them being stored at St Mary's.

No, it was actually St. Andrews Goods Yard adjacent to the south end of Midland station as described by Bill Radford above.

1 hour ago, Mike Bellamy said:

 Almost right Richard - but you forgot about the extra day in February - so my diary says the 5th & 6th October - I hope that's correct as we have had 5000 flyers printed and gave out 500 of them at the weekend 😃😃

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Sorry Mike, you're right. 5th and 6th Oct 2024 (just testing you 😐).

23 hours ago, skipepsi said:

Do we have a date for next year? 

Usually the first full weekend in October so it looks like the 6th and 7th next year.

EDIT to say I misread my calendar. It's actually the 5th and 6th October next year (2024). See below.

12 hours ago, The Johnster said:

Mainline were the first RTR company to produce 9' wheelbase instead of generic 10'wb steel minerals,

Really!!! I thought that was Bachmann around 1998.

2 hours ago, Matt37268 said:

What was the one that made it to Fort William? 72001 was it? 

IIRC it was 'Clan Cameron' which took a special train for  a gathering of said clan. It was even crewed by Camerons.

17 hours ago, Ramrig said:

I have done a similar modification on my Brits and Clan locomotives also. Gives a much improved visual appearance. 

Me too. They have no problem with 3ft curves or Streamline curved points.

17 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

I reckon the cranes are probably going to be removed from sale and reposted at a sensible price. 

I can live with that!

On 24/07/2023 at 13:36, Ross74H said:

Didn’t realise the track cleaner used a different chassis to the normal ones, will have to have a search for them.

8 hours ago, plasticbasher said:

I am pretty sure the same "scale-height" chassis is also used in the very first releases of the 4 wheel coaches in the late 70's and the "improved" LNER / BR 20t brake vans from the 1980's and 90's.

I've recently see some Mineral wagons on the decent chassis. Look for Mineral wagons with footboards and J-hanger suspension.

There was a thread on here a (long?) while ago if you can find it. The first thing to do is find some of the yellow track cleaning coaches at swapmeets - you don't need the track cleaning gubbins - and swap the chassis as the track cleaner has scale height buffers (then flog off the unwanted bits at another swapmeet). The roof can also be lowered by taking off about 1mm at cantrail level (there's a ridge there to guide your craft knife), cut down the ends to a lower profile (I used an old 'Smash' mashed pototo tin for a guide and also to form a new plastic card roof. Add roof detail to taste. That gives the coach a whole new look. Block off some of the windows to make a brake compartment.

On 22/07/2023 at 16:38, Rugd1022 said:

Kernow in the year of our Lord 2007...

Nice pics from days gone by but could you tell us where they all are please?

23 hours ago, The Johnster said:

  This means three basic livery variations using two crests, but it is TTBOMK unlikely the the economy unlined green livery was used with the unicycling lion crest.  

There were also examples of plain green with right-facing late crest, IIRC 82006.

13 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

I am the most normal person I know!

 

Mike.

We should always remember that other folks are entitled to their ridiculous opinions 😊

3 minutes ago, RedgateModels said:

Sure we had this discussion all those years ago when MAG was first mooted. Andy would say Staffordshire Oatcakes I guess

With bacon and brown sauce? 😋

18 hours ago, SR71 said:

By then you would think they would have been using waterslide. You can't get good enough results free hand.

The results of hand lining had been more than "good enough" for more than 100 years.

16 hours ago, Tim2014 said:

That's good to know, but I'm in Australia, so something that is already digitised is very handy :)

Sorry, missed that bit.

12 hours ago, figworthy said:

 

Be aware that good as OS maps are, the railway track plans aren't always completely accurate.  Apart from anything else, the railway companies which change layouts from time to time, and the cartographers didn't always update the maps.

 

Adrian

Good point.

County Record Offices and/or Local Studies Libraries usually have maps of their respective counties at 25 inches to the mile of various dates and from before flying was invented (except for birds of course). Some urban areas are even mapped at 125 inches to the mile.

17 hours ago, Black 5 Bear said:

If it's an LMS loco, one that's sure to fly of the shelves is a Stanier 8F!

Nah!! Let's have something that's NOT been done before please

13 hours ago, peterfgf said:

Perhaps one even migrated to the C&HPR in place of a NLR tank....

Now, there's a thought. I like that idea 👍.

10 hours ago, F-UnitMad said:

Let the speculation/wish-listing/frothing begin..... 🥳

Be nice if it was a 4mm MR Kirtley goods 0-6-0 😀

I once saw what I took to be an ECS working heading north on the WCML north of Preston, a Black 5 with 20 coaches.

19 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Which would mean, 5069 only displayed the number on the smokebox plate (if fitted) and ran with a black tender, (We know all about LNWR tenders.)

I would change "would" to "could". While a red engine with a black tender may have been a possibility I have not found any reference to such an occurrence, unless you know different of course.

23 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Do you mean by that that 5069 was not painted red until after the 1928 livery change? (By which point, lined black would have been the official style though plain black the norm, I believe.)

The information given is taken from Essery and Jenkinson's LMS Locomotives Volume Two.

Yeadon states that Crewe only applied LMS red to these locos from Oct 1923 to Feb 1924 and that 5069 had the LMS number applied in Feb 1924 when the red was presumably applied. The implication being that 5069's tender escaped having the number applied at that point.

It's probably been written somewhere on here already but there were four Precedents painted LMS red:

5012 John Ramsbottom

5036 Novelty

5050 Merrie Carlisle

5069 Penrith Beacon

5069 apparently didn't get the tender numbers and 5012 kept the red livery with post 1928 markings.