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St Anne's On Sea 1988 by David Chamberlain

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Bolton Trinity Street 1984 by David Chamberlain

85036 Carlisle 1984 by David Chamberlain

47230 Poulton Jn 1986 by Alan Sherratt

Red Bank 1987 Alan Sherratt

3 hours ago, Steven B said:

This could be the Liverpool-Edinburgh portion a few years earlier:

(Bruce Galloway on Flickr)

 

Steven B

And here's an even more interesting version of it...

Liverpool - Edinburgh at Lostock Junction 1985 by Alan Sherratt

Sonning 1981 by David Payne

19 hours ago, giz said:

Kyle of Lochalsh to Inverness July 1987 (Paul Clark on Flickr):

 

 

 

Nice. Yet another reason for modelling Kyle Of Lochalsh!

My thread about class 31s with MK 2 D/E/F coaches has led me down a rabbit hole of pictures of short trains with MK2 D/E/F  coaches on Flickr and I thought I'd just start a thread as they might be inspirational for others. Feel free to add your own or other's pictures but a few ground rules.

Don't talk about Air Con Club

They must be five coaches or less

The majority of the train should be MK 2 D/E/F coaches

It must be a service train I.E. not an ECS

Paddington - Wolverhampton 1990 by Stephen Dance

Hull-Sheffield 1984 by The Cycling Signalman

 Hull to Sheffield 1984 

Hull - Brighton 1986 by Paul Smith

1 hour ago, pinzaboy said:

Just received my EFE car carriers and, my goodness, the grey on them is really dark. Compare with my photo of one with a Bachmann Motorail GUV. It's truly awful. Doubt they'll take them back though!

It almost looks as if both the blue and the grey shades are off which makes the problem even more glaring.

1 hour ago, DY444 said:

In 1980/1 I commuted from Derby to Birmingham for a while.  My morning train was a Sheffield-Cardiff service which was 0650-ish something or other from Derby.  It was formed of air cons and booked for a 47/4 however at least twice a week, and sometimes more frequently, it would turn up with an ER 31/4 on it.  If it had been non-stop to New St it would probably have been ok but iirc it called at Burton, Tamworth, Wilnecote and Water Orton so the lack of grunt was very apparent when restarting from those stops.  Needless to say it lost time hand over fist.

 

As an aside, often unsuitable power turning up at New St would come off and Saltley would find something better.  However I don't ever recall the 31 on my morning train coming off at New St and it worked through onto the WR.

You know I think that those might be the trains that I originally saw pictures of as the name Water Orton does seem very familiar for some reason.

14 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

Timekeeping with them on those Birmingham - Paddington runs was dire. Travelling on a cold day to a job at Banbury we struggled to make it up the bank from Leamington towards Fenny Compton.

One driver told us you could have either traction power or train supply but not both together if you wanted to keep time going uphill.

"Ladies and gentleman you have a choice on this train. You can either be cold and moving or stationary and warm. What will it be?"

Adam has just updated the Dapol Digest and it seems that we are all going to having to wait at least another 4-8 months. That's a shame as I wanted to buy some Executive MK3s to help me make up a Manchester Pullman rake and the original ETA was Q2 2024.

"The standalone Mk3 DVTs and the Chiltern / DB trainpacks should be with in July. The loco-hauled Mk3s should arrive between October and January in different batches."

9 hours ago, Chris M said:

The big question is - what would sell in sufficient quantities to make a return on investment?  If you look at the Accurascale 00 range there is almost nothing that hasn't already been covered in N. Like others I am happy enough with my 50s, 37 and 31 to not buy new ones. I am also happy enough with my Farish suburban stock to not want to replace them. There are no wagons in the Accurascale 00 range that are "wants" for me. I think if there was anything that was an obvious good seller in N from their current range 00 they would already have announced it.  

 

The unfilled gaps of potentially good sellers in N are probably a King or a rebuilt West Country. Maybe there is room for a 2251 class? A relatively simple loco with a wide field of operation. Its been a long time since the Peco one and the New Mills one wasn't detailed enough for many of us. On the diesel front maybe, just maybe a D600 would sell but I'm not sure. DMU coverage in N is quite poor so maybe there is room for something like a 120. I don't think I am likely to buy any more coaches as I have all the rakes I need. Likewise wagons but I could possibly be tempted by a decent Syphon.

 

For a business its all about getting a return on that precious cash invested in new projects. If you can't see a good return then you can't invest.

"If you look at the Accurascale 00 range there is almost nothing that hasn't already been covered in N"

That's true if you are only thinking about locomotives, but we don't have N gauge MK2B/C coaches, Siphons or HUO/HTV wagons. Personally I think that if AS do produce something for N gauge then they should start with rolling stock which is lacking in many areas in this scale.

22 hours ago, Flood said:

Not the greatest of images as it's a phone photo of my original print but it serves its purpose.

 

31462 13.24 Hull - Brighton. Ford Lane, just North of Derby. 30 May 1985 (a Thursday)

 

The Railgen Archive shows 31s to be a pretty regular occurance:

   Sat18/05/1985   31443 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri24/05/1985   31468 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat25/05/1985   31465 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue28/05/1985   31457 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu30/05/1985   31462 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri31/05/1985   31421 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat01/06/1985   31455 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue04/06/1985   31407 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri07/06/1985   31418 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat08/06/1985   31450 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu13/06/1985   31458 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri14/06/1985   31444 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat15/06/1985   31444 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri21/06/1985   31442 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat22/06/1985   31442 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed03/07/1985   31420 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu04/07/1985   31421 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri05/07/1985   31465 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat06/07/1985   31466 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu11/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri12/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat13/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat20/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue23/07/1985   31424 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed24/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu25/07/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri26/07/1985   31458 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat27/07/1985   31450 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed31/07/1985   31445 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat03/08/1985   31457 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri09/08/1985   31453 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat10/08/1985   31453 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat17/08/1985   31414 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri23/08/1985   31460 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat24/08/1985   31431 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue27/08/1985   31461 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed28/08/1985   31439 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu29/08/1985   31439 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat31/08/1985   31433 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri13/09/1985   31417 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat21/09/1985   31419 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat28/09/1985   31432 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon30/09/1985   31406 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri04/10/1985   31441 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon07/10/1985   31442 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue08/10/1985   31434 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Sheffield - Birmingham New Street At least

   Thu10/10/1985   31451 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Derby - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat19/10/1985   31420 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri01/11/1985   31436 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street

   Thu14/11/1985   31435 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri15/11/1985   31451 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue26/11/1985   31407 1O86 1400 Leeds - Poole between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri29/11/1985   31436 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue03/12/1985   31431 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed04/12/1985   31431 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri13/12/1985   31436 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Wed18/12/1985   31437 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Thu19/12/1985   31437 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri20/12/1985   31420 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat21/12/1985   31401 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon30/12/1985   31431 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat18/01/1986   31458 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat01/02/1986   31463 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon03/02/1986   31419 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue04/02/1986   31419 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon10/02/1986   31437 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Tue11/02/1986   31437 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat22/02/1986   31419 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Reading via Camp Hill, avoiding Birmingham

   Fri14/03/1986   31426 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat15/03/1986   31426 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat22/03/1986   31426 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat05/04/1986   31439 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Sat12/04/1986   31419 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri18/04/1986   31437 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Mon28/04/1986   31457 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street 

   Fri09/05/1986   31455 1O86 1400 Leeds - Brighton between Leeds - Birmingham New Street

 

Thank, so It seems that it was a semi regular occurrence. I've been trying to find pictures of the train on Flickr and it has highlighted how very modellable the train was with the short rakes.

23 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

The caption to this photo may be helpful:

"...It was one of a batch of three class 31/4’s (31409/10/17) allocated to Leeds Holbeck for predominantly passenger duties (rather than empty coaching stock) associated with working portions of East Coast expresses that divided or joined at Doncaster, such as the Hull portion of 09:10 Kings Cross to Leeds and 13:35 return, and trains going beyond Leeds to Bradford and Harrogate. These workings required an eth fitted engine following the introduction of air conditioned coaching stock in 1972. These duties ceased with the introduction in 1978 of HST’s..."

 

Not sure if this counts according to your requirements?

 

Thanks, I was thinking more about the 80s, but I did find this Flickr pic that showed what you are referring to and as I'm trying to find any excuse to run my Class 31 with blue/grey MK2F coaches, so I'll take it! Plus the train is nice and short which is a bonus for my cramped layout.

Does anyone know if there were any regular trains in the 80s blue/grey period consisting of MK2D/E/Fs that were hauled by a Class 31/4? I seem to remember seeing pictures of them in the 80s from around the Midlands area and I know that they were used on Summer Saturday trains, but I'm thinking about more regular services. To be honest I think I may be confusing their usage on ECS trains as I seem to remember Oxley (where there are carriage sidings) being mentioned.

I've found this picture on Flickr of one on a Leeds to Brighton service, but I guess it may just be another Summer special service.

On 24/07/2023 at 22:24, The Pilotman said:

Indeed it is! In the InterCity era Pullman rakes appeared in the West Country on Summer Saturday cross country services so these coaches wouldn’t just appeal to WCML modellers. 

Isn't that what this train is as the formation seems very Pullman-esque?

Class 114 Bottesford 1980 by David Ford

Tilbury Riverside 1976 by David Ford

56036 Toton 1978 by Kevin Connolly