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Scott Arms yard (still waiting for Bachmann/Scenecraft large aggregate bags) entrance to the PW yard, piles of sleepers all Peco with the holes filled then painted, Peco skip filled with whatever I could find and of course 'cones' Note: the line in the foreground is the loco depot headshunt

Currently have the Knightwing fuel tanks on this layout, would anyone recommend the Bachmann Scenecraft ones as replacement as the hanrails on the Knightwing model have already got damaged. Also has anyone swopped the double portacabin from Knightwing to Scenecraft and are they more robust?

More pics added, lights added to the shed these are wired via a micro plug as can be seen in the picture of the shed

Here are more pics from 'Scott Arms' I have added an express lighting kit to the fuel point which had to be retro fitted as I have already built the fuel point, the kit contains two strips of 3 x LED lighting, wire and brass 'tape' the idea this being stuck to the poles but I chose to glue the wires down the poles and as I take the fuel depot off when not in use a tiny mini plug is used to disconect the wires, now I have done this I will add lights to the Pikestuff shed this will complete this section of the layout.

Second page from old RM Web, think I'm getting the hang of this now, then I'll add some new stuff Whilst most have done quite a bit to there projects over the holiday period, I have done very little Here's a 'Nevard' picture knocked up on photoshop, the embankment obviously isn't right but it shows the new Hornby 153 nicely The shed painted The layout was officially handed over to my Son for Christmas so I'm unsure how much progess will be made, one thing it works fine under DCC operation although I still haven't done the fiddle yard beyond the bridgeProper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by London Midland Guard » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:26 pm Excellent work mate. How do you find the new 153? I fancy a EMT and CT one..... Also the wooden station fencing where did you get it from? I need some for my stations to. LMG. Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Trainsrgr8 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:13 pm Looks ace, well done!! Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Darren01 » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:58 am Hi Try using humbrol no29 RAF brown on the soide of the rail ,as the railmatch rust is too red. If you want to paint the points and don't want the paint to get on to the blade of the point ,open the point up and put bluetack in . This way you can paint the point and not stop the contact. Darren London Midland Guard wrote:Excellent work mate. How do you find the new 153? I fancy a EMT and CT one..... Also the wooden station fencing where did you get it from? I need some for my stations to. LMG. The Hornby 153 is excellent, why this model has taken so long in ready to run form is amazing, it should have been released years ago being a single with so many liveries, its ideal for any modern layout. The Central Trains one on 'Scott Arms' was purchased DCC fitted and tempted to get a sound chip too. The wooden fencing is from Ratio, I think the posts are moulded as wooden but I have painted mine concrete, this type of fencing seems quite common from Lostwithiel to Kidderminster to Attenbourgh stations to name few. added to the station, Viessmann station lamp and home made station name board, the posts should be green, any sugestions on Central green? In need of people now to bring things to life!Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by wildcat12 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:38 am Nice job on the Engine Shed, the brick looks good at the bottom, I will agree with you on the Pikestuff, I have made a number of these, in N and HO, in fact last night I put together the same 2 loco shed, and a yard office, both turned out good, but the yard office had not recuts for doors and windows. I trying to get my Dad to purchase a Peco Modern engine shed to bring out to me, it will be something different. BTW I am in the USA. After the rush to get the layout finish for Christmas (which of course I didn't) things have moved rather more slowly, the legs have now been built although this is the sort of thing that should have been done at the start to ensure all the sections line up, its one thing on the kitchen table but the whole thing needed legs to be a self contained layout, I looked at tressels but opted for legs, in essence the layout is a glorified 'paste table' the legs have been hand built by a carpenter recycling some old wood and are bolted onto the main frame, the layout is not as sturdy as tressels but the whole thing can be taken to bits to fit under a standard single bed for storage. I now have to check the joints to ensure smooth running, hence why the baseboard building stage is so important as many (myself included) are in a rush to get the track laid. Here is a pic of the layout all together for the first time including the tiny fiddle yard. Here is a picture of one of the legs, 4 in total hold the layout up! I intend to do a lot more to the layout although I'm playing with my new toy a Nikon Coolscan restoring my slides of the 80's to digitalProper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Heres a underside view of the middle board to show the legs and wiring with the sockets for the 'bus' wires Note the loose wires are for the station lighting!Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Things are moving at a slow pace, maybe its working on 12" to the foot! Like all modern depots one 66 is not enough, I am waiting for the Fastline 66 to arrive and with Bachmann 66 068 currently at a reduced price at my local model shop (Kernow) looks like these will be joining the fleet soon along with 37670 in EWS livery. I have stated to detail the fuel point, although I built the Knightwing kit last year it still needed a bit more detail, (I will add lights at a later date) I used Knightwing B24 pack and as I was short of hose, I used (borrowed from my wife) some 1.5mm leather 'bracelet' that was brought on ebay, and added two bits of of-cuts from a 'sprue' for filler nozzels! here are the results of the details fuel point Added extra's 'Knightwing' oil drums and dustbin, 'Replica Railways' tail lamps and fuel hoses plus the ever popular 'Prieser' figure from set 10420Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Tommy307 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:00 am Looking great. Can't wait to see more updates of this (again?). I love little(ish) modern layouts like this one. Not dissimilar to my own "Layout Under Construction" but in N gauge. Tony N. Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by 508EMU » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:03 am Looks great! Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by labrinth » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:39 am Looking very good, I think a good use for the sidings could be for engineering wagons opposite the station platform. labrinth wrote:Looking very good, I think a good use for the sidings could be for engineering wagons opposite the station platform. I was thinking along the same lines, (excuse the pun) maybe a spoil tip with a Norscot digger, sleeper piles and the new porta-cabin from Bachmann, I am so tempted to add a manual signal box at the end of the station (Bachmann 44-061) The other idea was to add a cement terminal but still undecided Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/

Copied from old RM Web to update the progress or lack of, I could not get the html code to copy accross so its a copy and past job, as I hate this new RM Web! Scott Arms - modern DCC layout almost there! Ok, this is my first attempt at DCC, twelve months ago, my opinion was very different with regard to DCC, but my son now wants his own layout, being younger, the lights and sounds on loco's in the digital age make railway modelling more appealing, I am yet to be won over by DCC. My layout has been idle for some years in the garage due to various reasons; mainly working on the real thing has prevented me doing any work on the layout as after a bad day on the trains the last thing you feel like doing is modelling trains. As my layout is DC there is now a need for a DCC layout for my sons modern DCC stock. My son should be building this himself but his modelling skills are not upto much, so I am building "Scott Arms" an EWS depot and Network West Midlands local station set somewhere in the Midlands. Inspiration must go to 'Big Jim' and his Warmington DCC layout, after seeing this, and borrowing his sound chipped class 60 and Fastline 56, my son has asked for me to build a similar layout to this, that will fit under his bed! I am going to try and build this layout in around 3 months ready for Christmas, as DCC sound fitted diesels are on Santa's list. The last layout I built in '00' was 'Roy Bridge' this was a minimun space layout that was on display for a short time in 'Roys Hobbies and Toys' in Rubery, before my father sold the business, this layout was built to exhibition standard and exhibited at a few local shows, I will try and post a few pictures to show what can be achieved for the steam era in 6ft. The base boards have been made for me using PSE 2 x 1 framing and MDF top, I normally use Sundela, but I have experienced warping between braces. I have found that I have still been able to use Peco pins into MDF to secure the track. Basic plan includes loco shed, fuel point, small sidings and small station all in 6ft! I have now started to lay the track and will post pictures as I progress The track now laid on the fuel point using a mixture of wooden sleeper and concrete, the picture showing a Lima 37 and 67, and the base of the fuel point, for what must be knightwings top selling item. Clearly seen is the 'throat' on to the depot, which will form the classic 'zig zag' via the headshunt or "Neck" as it is known on the Midland region to gain access to the depot. What can't be seen as clear in the picture is the copper clad sleepers for the base board joint. I was going to use cork as an underlay which would give a modern 'shoulder' for the ballast but decided not to in the end. Any feedback would be welcome!Last edited by 21Alizard on Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:15 pm, edited 3 times in total. Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by big jim » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:30 am and this weekend you can borrow my sound chipped class 31 and 58, they will win you over to dcc ! Looking forward to seeing progress on this layout having heard the plans first hand, im going to contribute some knightwing pallasade fencing from warmington when i replace it with s-kits etched stuff too! A few more pics as progress takes place, I've built a Pikestuff shed although this has to be painted and added peco inspection pits, (to be prototypical this would need two kits for one locomotive) a floor has to be made for the shed from plasticard. This board just requires wiring as this is first time DCC I understand that all tracks are live all the time and wiring should be carried out with larger cable? (any posts how to wire sidings on DCC) Still to do is the boring job of painting the rail edges rusty! Then to finish track work on the second board and fiddle yard which I am wondering to build as a sector plate, any posts on here?Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by sjl1973 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:24 am Hi looking very good so far, will keep an eye on this one. Do you a layout plan? Simon Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by big jim » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:50 pm sjl1973 wrote:Hi Do you a layout plan? yeah its called warmington see what happens when you have a day off, while i'm running round with top and tail class 66's on the coal run you get loads done, had to do me own uncoupling and running round and all that. looking good Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by jameshilton » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:33 pm Careful when you come to ballast that you don't use too much PVA and water around the baseboard joins as it can swell really badly (I know from experience). Good progress so far, some nice curves there - and a realistic target by Christmas should keep you moving with it sjl1973 wrote:Do you a layout plan? Simon Yes will post the plan Have been busy rusting the rails (What a boring job took most of the day) painted by hand although I have seen that paint wheel thingy in "Model Rail" - It does make adifference! Ballast is next Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by 47840 northstar » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:22 pm This is looking very good. Just started and im already jealous of you What number railmatch paint is that by the way? Dan Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by sncf_stephen » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:32 pm Sounds like a very interesting project. Is it based on Scott Arms in Great Barr? Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Trainsrgr8 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:17 pm Looks promising!!! Can't wait for further updates!! Danny sncf_stephen wrote:Sounds like a very interesting project. Is it based on Scott Arms in Great Barr? Yes, the name is taken from "Scott Arms" near Great Barr although I can't think why a depot and station would be there with Hampstead and Bescot so close, perhaps "Kingstanding the next station stop" My son's name is Scott as I was going to call the layout Scotts Road, but the the time the layout is finished, it may be called something else, although unfortunatly in reality these types of small depots would not exist!Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ 47840 northstar wrote:This is looking very good. Just started and im already jealous of you What number railmatch paint is that by the way? Dan 2405 Dark rustProper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ November Update:- I tend to work on each board separately as its easier to work on, the picture shows the headshunt end showing "rusted rails" and a start on the ballasting, the proven method is to spread the stone chippings around the track then apply a dilute PVA. Unfortunately I don't find this method secure enough for portable layouts, so forget everything about ballasting and this is how I ballast layouts. I use "Cascamite" powdered resin wood glue or similar the ballast and powder is mixed dry in a tub around 75% ballast 25% powdered glue, this is then brushed around the track as desired then simply sprayed with water and a hint of washing up liquid (to break the water tension) this dries to a hard solid 'resin' finish - no more loose chippings! On the shed end board I have now started adding plastic card around the shed for the concrete area, the fuel point has been painted too. Like many other similar types of layouts I am using a 'Pikestuff' engine shed and I am sorry to say this kit is American rubbish, after building a Walthers kit which was excellent this kit was a great disapointment the instructions even admit to miss-alignment in mouldings, plus it doesn't look quite right, so decided to add a brick base, its still not finished but I think with a bit of 'hacking' about the shed will look British. The basic shape is now starting to take place! Also wiring has been completed for DCC (will add picture and discription) basicly wire to toe of point then isolate after point and feed from other end, I used the Peco wiring the layout 3 for guidance Note: - The '37' is LimaProper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by sishades » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:05 pm Where did you get those copper sleepers from? sishades wrote:Where did you get those copper sleepers from? Modellers Mecca - Kingswinford They are '0' gauge 7mm copper clad sleepers chopped in half! anyone else recommend where to get copper clad sleepers? Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by sncf_stephen » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:42 pm I think Scott Arms is a pretty good place for a layout. You could argue that the old Colliery was kept open and the traffic was enough to keep the depot in use for private loco's and then came under the wing of EWS. Plus it is a prime location for a passenger station. Scenery has started to the bare boards, the bridge to the hidden fiddle yard has been built out of off-cuts of wood and plasticard and the small amount of of scenics using bits of wood and mod-roc / polyfiller are being added, then painted with masonary paint to give hard finish. The whole area is painted brown to represent earth then clumps of bleached 'old fashioned' carpet underlay are glued with PVA, once dry these are teased and painted with water colour as described in Barry Normans excellent book. although I'm not happy with the green on this occasion! Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Trainsrgr8 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:48 pm This is coming on really well mate!! Well done!! Danny Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by big T » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:15 am Nice layout! Keep us posted on the developments. I have just brought a Pikestuff loco shed - was it that bad? Would you make any recommendations before me starting to assemble it? Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by Grimleygrid » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:37 am Looking good! Work is progressing on the scenery on the 'shed' board with the road bridge that forms the scenic break to the fiddle yard Couple of pictures, still plenty to do! (note the Pikestuff shed with brick base and the door and window that now requires filling) Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Work progressing quickly as Christmas is not far away and I hope to run a Hornby DCC fitted 153 on Christmas day! General view of the shed board, compare this with the 3rd picture and still loads to do! Close ups of the shed board, the other board is still rather bare! the rest of the platform/station will be on the other board and the platform surface is Scalescene, but the ink has run Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ sjl1973 wrote:Hi looking very good so far, will keep an eye on this one. Do you a layout plan? Simon Knocked up a quick plan over the hols on 'Publisher' Now the layout is built, I had room to add a fuel tank road which I wish I had of added next to the fuel road, I could of had a two platforms and still had room for a couple of sidings although I am not sure to the use of these yet, Private/Timber/Scrap loading/Unit stabling or small container base. The layout is wired for DCC, which makes a shed/depot a doddle as no isolating sections or switches are needed.Proper signals go down, not up! First DCC layout "Scott Arms" viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30530 My fotopic page http://21alizard.fotopic.net/ Re: Scott Arms - modern DCC layout by MRDBLUE17 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:50 pm Great work so far - I like small layouts as you can actually get around to finishing them eventually! That depot area will be good with DCC and some sound fitted locos idling and being started up will really add to it as well. Keep us posted on your progress.

OK quick pic of Scott Arms DCC layout, this was the last pic I posted on the old RMweb of 37426, the Welsh 37/4's were always a bit special to me as most interest in 37/4's were always Scottish, this was proven in the Lima days.

If anyone has tried to read my blog and found it blank, thats because I can't get on with the new look RM web, I have tried to move my posts over from the old RM web but the HTML icon seems to be missing, hence the blank page! Ok rant over, layout is progressing well although slowly and just to fill a blank page here is a skip I have done, should I buy a Scaledale one..............err no I opted to do my own