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One of the photos was interesting, in that it was a Ex W.R. 8F (48278) and was fitted with steam heat fittings on the front buffer beam. It could be that the photo is post 68 and that it could be 48773? Look at the loco that is behind her!
OzzyO.
48773 doesn't have the WR type brake ejector though. Bit of a strange photo, as I thought Bahamas was in LMS red by August '68 and had lost the BR number.
Steve
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Are you after Brits at Rose Grove, or all classes? I've seen Royal Scots there (in photos), and if you have Noel Coates' books then there's an un-rebuilt Patriot too. If it's Brits, are you including the Newton part of the equation. I saw Britannia there (as already reported, and Arrow, plus a few others (I will need to dig out my old notebooks.
Watching with interest and enjoyment as Newton Grove progresses,
Steve
Actually on reading the intro above, it's all classes. Don't forget the Stanier and Fairburn 2-6-4 tanks (you already have a Crab on the books of course) and earlier say 1960, the ex L&Y tanks and 0-6-0 tender engines, but of course these latter would be out of your time frame. I've seen photos of B1s too.
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I've decided to showcase a collection of images of different classes of locomotives at Rose Grove. I know that the classes altered as the years rolled on, however it's still good to see what was 'On Shed'.
Jinty 3F
Derby 4F
3 Staniers on pit Rose Grove.jpgBlack 5's and an 8F
8F 2-8-0
4472 Flying Scotsman visited Rose Grove to service while on rail tour duties
Jubilee Class
Standard 4 4-6-0
Screen Shot 2016-07-06 at 5.40.53 pm.pngWD 8F 2-8-0
Screen Shot 2016-07-06 at 5.40.16 pm.pngBR 9F 2-10-0
And of course there are photos of Britannia classes 70015 and 70013 at Rose Grove too.
Can anyone add to this list?
Are you after Brits at Rose Grove, or all classes? I've seen Royal Scots there (in photos), and if you have Noel Coates' books then there's an un-rebuilt Patriot too. If it's Brits, are you including the Newton part of the equation. I saw Britannia there (as already reported, and Arrow, plus a few others (I will need to dig out my old notebooks.
Watching with interest and enjoyment as Newton Grove progresses,
Steve
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Hello Peter,
Thank you for your complements on my layout Newton Grove.
The idea of using sand came from Steven Fay, who used it perfectly on his old micro-layout Cardiff Canton. It's a little fiddly at times but the results are worth it!
The S Class - yes you did spot it. The mogul is being built for me and so that photo was taken in front of his collection, not mine. I only have 7mm BR. The 9F is a brilliant model and in mid-2017 I have three Britannia &MT's coming! I can't wait for that.
Thank you for following my layout and I look forward to hearing more from you.
Regards,
Newtz
I have seen photos of 70015 Apollo entering Rose Grove.
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I've finally been inspired to do some more work on the shed building itself. This has always been the biggest challenge for me for this entire layout project as not only have I never scratch built a building before but I'm also not savy in construction, planning or intellectual matters. Though I have watched DVDs on building buildings before, this shed is quite the 'hope and pray' style of building.
Regardless, here is progress so far. The walls are now all held together using Liquid Nails and the face of the building has been clad in red brick. I am now slowly looking at how to add the inner roof detail with cross braces and smoke shoots.
You can really see the effect of the mirror in the above shot.
The cross braces are in position like this for marking purposes only. The will be cut to length and then inserted inside the building, not on top of the wall as shown.
You can just see the beginning of the smoke shoot and also the tops of the cross braces.
Fingers crossed that this shed turns out to look the way I want it to. I guess if it doesn't I'll just build another one.
Hi, what type of smoke chutes were you planning on making? Newton Heath and Rose Grove (centre section) had a similar cheap LMS replacement design. The front (entrance) and rear (to back wall) at Rose Grove had the LMS concrete cast louvres. They would match your front wall well with bricks supporting a concrete lintel, and there are drawings of this type in LMS SHEDS Volume 1. I was planning to make 4mm versions of the concrete sections by resin casting sections. I think the cross beams were concrete rather than RSJs - I will have a look at my 'photos when I recover my 'photo collection (don't ask).
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In an act of what others would say is total madness, I have pre-ordered a 2nd model of the 7MT's from Fine Scale Brass. This time I have requested class leader, 70000 Britannia.
Now there is something to look forward too one day, having 70000 & 70013 on shed at Newton Grove!!
Appropriate forNewton Grove, as I copped 70000 on Newton Heath, about '66
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Hi Jamie
Could you help please i am building a coaling tower for my model rail lay out, and i am stuck with the securing of the wagon at the top of the tower when it tips,
look forward to hearing from you
regards
john
As might be expected it's quite simple really. Within the hood at the top of the lift is a beam, which is counter-balanced. When the wagon gets to the top it meets this beam, which is positioned around the longitudinal centre line of said wagon. The beam is pivoted such that as the wagon continues up and around the curved track which tilts the wagon for discharge of its load, the beam presses the wagon against the cradle rails and stops it (usually) falling into the bunker.
Steve (who has tried to study this for possible use on Rose Grove)
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Thanks everyone for their kind comments. This particular bit does make me feel like I'm getting somewhere.
Graham - here's a compromise: a bit of playing and a bit of modelling?
I had an hour or so to begin weathering some of the stock I've built/converted/butchered/bodged. I think this is the time when you work out whether all the work was worth it, because the models either come alive or they look like a model with some dirty paint on.
I didn't fancy ruining one that I'd spent ages on, so I thought I'd begin with the 42' GUV since that could always be covered with more grime - I've got a photo of one on Camden Bank that looks like it's been doing the old RAC rally through Kielder.....
Before:
And after:
An old Bachmann/Mainline/Replica RMB, again before and after:
One of the mk1 subs:
And the playing bit?
Remarshalled parcels rake passes the goods shed, no.1 box, under the footbridge and begins its descent of the bank:
Iain
Mmmmmmmm Kielder, before the World Rip-off Champoinship moved to South Wales.
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Some Jinties (modeller's name) or Jockos (railwayman's term) were fitted with steam heating gear for passenger working. The best source for detailed information on this class is Wild Swan Publication's LMS Locomotive Profiles No 14 - The Standard Class 3 Freight Tank Engines. There are very many photos. and drawings plus details of variations and change points. No connection except as satisfied customer.
Steve
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Today I built the first of three yard lamps. A few days ago I designed and drew up a scale drawing, which I based off photographs of several different types of yard lamps. I have used rail for the posts and plasticard spaced between them. Peco ladders have been added too. Next step is to fit a warm LED globe and place a lamp shade (for lack of a better word) over the globe to hide it a little.
So, one down, two more to build. I'm quite happy with how this yard lamp looks and I'm very much looking forward to seeing all three finished and in position on the layout.
For 24B's 4 mm yard we need about 20! And the tops had various versions showing different repairs. Here's a couple of the first ones, lit with a grain-of-rice bulbs.
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Thank you Steve. I have asked to join your Facebook group for Rose Grove.
Sorry, only just got back on line, welcome.
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Thank you for sharing your post Steve. What a wonderful layout you have there! Is there anywhere on the internet that I can follow its progress? I'd certainly love to see more of it
Thank you for your kind comment. Progress has been halted for about 3 years at present, though now with a room big enough for setting it up at home, I hope to get going again. We started a 'Group' on Facebook with some photos https://www.facebook.com/groups/414974362003/photos/if you're interested. I ought to start something on RMWeb.
Steve
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And lastly, the details - concrete fence posts. In a reference book I have on Rose Grove shed there are a few photos that show a small area with a collection of concrete fence posts. I liked this little detail and so I've decided to model them on my layout.
These have been made from square plasticard, cut to scale length. The tops (which I think I showed in a previous post) are made using poly filler. When this was rock hard I used a file to take them back to almost nothing, but giving both the poly and the square plastic a tapered look, to try and match what I'd see in the photos in my book. As far as weathering them goes, they were sprayed with grey primer and then placed in a small tub with Humbrol weathering powders (Smoke & Dark Earth). This tub was shaken around a little and a brush was used to stir the power onto the posts.
Results are very pleasing. I've now stuck them onto the layout in the grass area, as per the photos I've been referencing.
Here's my version in 4mm scale. I know an ex-Rose Grove fireman, who thought that it might have been a well, filled with rubble.
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You could try soaking in cellulose thinners - usually dissolves any paint.
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There are a couple of photos here http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/Fowler-LMS-Locomotives/Fowler-Tank-Engines/Fowler-3PA-tank-engines-400014/i-Zz25pRpthat might be of interest - one in the station of the platforms & buildings and one showing part of the bridge I think. Enjoying this thread - I was around Lancaster 1971 - 75 and remember the shed plus some of the track, also driving past (1970?) before the station was sadly demolished.
Steve
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This last photo shows where I can add some extra detail such as light rust, etc.
I've always had a massive love for 8F's and 48773 in particular. I don't know why I love this locomotive so much. Maybe it is also because I have driven her on the Severn Valley Railway back in 2002. Either way, she's a wonderful machine and I just had to have a model of her.
I assume that you know about The Stanier 8F Locomotive Society who own 48773? I'm a member and keep up to date with the engine, the magazine usually has useful photos.
Just for the sake of historical accuracy / to be 'picky' - this last shot isn't actually Rose Grove but is, I suspect, Bolton. However a useful shot of its condition just before transfer to 10F.
Nice work.
Steve
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I've added the number plate and shed code plate to the Crab, as well as the plates on the tender. I have also ordered the Crab transfer set from Fox Transfers, which should arrive in a week or two. I'm looking forward to getting the lining done on this loco so that I can then weather it. Eventually it will look similar to the photo below:
Now a question for you all. I have the Derby builders plates for this model as well, however I have not attached them yet as I don't really know where they were placed. My guess is that they were placed on the frames that come out from under the smoke box and slope toward the pilot/buffer beam. Can anyone confirm this for me before I attached them onto the model.
Errrrrr the Crabs were built at Horwich and Crewe, none at Derby...............the builder's plate was attached to the side of the smokebox. Wikipedia has a photo showing its position.
Steve
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I'm keen to have a really good photographic backscene produced for Newton Grove. What I want is something similar to the background of what Rose Grove has in the 1960s. Can anyone give me advice of who I can contact in order to capture photos for a back scene or a company that produces a wide range of photo backscenes that could be ideal to use.
Many Thanks
You probably know this, but searching "rose grove" in Flickr will bring up dozens of photos. some of which show the surroundings. In one of Colin Gifford's books there is a shot across the shed yard and main line to the hills beyond - Decline Of Steam, but in B/W. There is at least one firm I have seen advertising at UK exhibitions, but can't remember details just now. If I find a programme I will let you know.
Steve
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Lovely stuff. Always was my favourite station until it was wrecked in the name of progress....
Jon F
Mine too! Spent many happy hours in the school holidays on platform 11, or in the buffet on 12. There was shunting in platforms 1 - 10 quite often too, so a lovely nostalgic shot foe me. A short break to go to Newton Heath was usually taken.
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Firstly, thank you everyone for the wonderful comments above. I appreciate your feedback and support
While I'm waiting for the last of the C&L chairs to arrive I started to think about what I would do for the loco shed. There was only two options I was thinking about. These were:
1~ Build a low relief shed (like Cardiff Canton) and have only the space for around 1/3 of a loco within, or
2~ Build a longer shed that covers the second pits on each of the three roads.
I decided on the latter. This morning (after waking up at 4am) I decided to make up a mock of the model to get a feel for the size and scale of the shed. A cardboard box became the donor and measurements were taken for length, width and height. The distance between the top of a locomotives chimney (I used a Black 5 for this) and the roof wall was measured from photos, converted to 7mm scale and then added into the mock building. For those who are interested, this turned out to be 20mm from the top of the chimney.
Below are photos of the mock building that really show off the size.
I have also made a start on making the servicing pits. Walls are being made out of thick plasticard and they will be lined with 7mm scale brick sheeting, some lengths of which can already be seen cut to size and waiting to be installed after track playing and painting.
Overall I am very happy with how the mock shed looks and in all honesty I am really looking forward to building the real thing in coming months (or less). So between now and then I'll be watching the Right Track DVD 'Building Buildings' a few times to really study the art of scratch building.
Ummm, just trying to help, but those water columns would cover the tracks on both sides........so you could move the left hand one over to cover all the tracks. See the photos at the beginning for the column positions.
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Hi David,
I actually have a Scott, I just haven't put it on display yet. I also have a Jubilee too. As far as a Duchess goes, if I can afford it I will purchase a kit for one from Gladiator Models before they close in April. I have two of their kits already - one is a Stanier Mogul and the other is a Patriot. The tender of the Mogul has been started however construction is slow as a friend of mine is building it for me in his spare time. Kit building is not a skill of mine just yet.
I have also put a reservation in with Fine Scale Brass (UK) for a Britannia and a 9F. They are due out around Dec '15/Jan '16, so I'm looking forward to them.
Not too sure about a Duchess sighting, but Scots, Pats, Jubilees, Brits and 9Fs all visited Rose Grove. No reason why a Semi shouldn't visit, but it would have to be turned elsewhere, although Newton Grove could of course have had a 70' table like Lostock Hall......
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One fine preserved railway we haven't visited yet is the Bluebell. My first visit was on 7th April 1980...
800407 Horsted Keynes 75027 K17.26.jpgHere's Standard Class 4 No. 75027 at Horsted Keynes.
800407 Sheffield Park 75027 K17.29.jpgHere she is again running round her train at Sheffield Park.
800407 Sheffield Park 75027 and SECR 263 K17.31.jpgReady to depart now with SECR No. 263 arriving.
800407 Sheffield Park SECR 263 K17.33.jpgNo. 263 running round her train this time.
800407 Sheffield Park SECR 263 K17.35.jpgNow ready to depart with a wonderful clerestory coach.
101030 Sheffield Park PA300116.JPGOn 30th October 2010 I visited Sheffield Park again, this time with "Battle of Britain" No. 34059 "Sir Archibald Sinclair" in action.
101030 Sheffield Park PA300118.JPGTaken from a footbridge that wasn't there in 1980.
680710 Rose Grove 75027 8.9.jpgIn 1968 No. 75027 was in a sorry state at Rose Grove. Here she is on 10th July - see also post #297.
Thanks to Jonny777 again
Chris Turnbull
Wow what a useful picture at Rose Grove - the first shot (in nearly 20 years of research) showing that end of the North side of the shed (and the back of the concrete hut and toilet block. Most shots concentrate on the locomotives, and tend to be in the same locations. The big opening in the shed side I think was for receiving deliveries of sand. The sand drier was just by (or under the floor) here (according to a fireman from 10F). THANKS for posting.
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Staying at Rose Grove for one final batch, here we are still on 10th July 1968
680710 Rose Grove 48191, 48448 8.12.jpgClass "8F" 48191 drifts through the platform road while 48448 (with snowplough) is held at signals. I think this photograph is as interesting for the depressing state of the station facilities as it is for the locomotives.
680710 Rose Grove 45156 8.15.jpgOne locomotive that was kept in reasonble condition was Class "5" 45156 "Ayrshire Yeomanry", probably because she was a "namer" albeit devoid of nameplates by this time. Here she is entering the shed.
680710 Rose Grove 48730 8.11.jpgClass "8F" 48730 rests on shed with the coaling tower in the background.
680710 Rose Grove 75027 8.10.jpgStandard Class "4" 75027 is shunted into the withdrawn locomotive road alongside the shed her BR working life over. She may now be found on the Bluebell Railway, I believe.
Thanks to Jonny777 as usual
Chris Turnbull.
Some of the best quality photos of Rose Grove I have seen. So useful for the modelling, and fantastic memories of the station from my visit in 1967. Really hope you have more of 10F, but still enjoying others especially around Manchester. Thank you for posting, Steve
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And for the steam fans here's four shots taken at Rose Grove on 10th July 1968. Steam was in its dying days with but three weeks left of revenue-earning service and a month until the infamous "Fifteen Guinea Special"
8F 48493 leaves Rose Grove yard in a cloud of steam with a class H freight.
Meanwhile "Black 5" 44781 runs in the opposite direction with another class H freight. Rose Grove MPD is in the background.
8F 48400 enters the MPD. Note the Permanent Way gang - no hard hats, no high-vis or wet weather gear and no power tools! "That's 'ow it were in them days."
And on shed here's "Black 5" 45156 "Ayrshire Yeomanry" sadly devoid of nameplates but at least she's had a rub down with an oily rag, if only on one side.
Chris Turnbull
Great shots, very useful, especially in colour. Thanks for posting.
And for the steam fans here's four shots taken at Rose Grove on 10th July 1968. Steam was in its dying days with but three weeks left of revenue-earning service and a month until the infamous "Fifteen Guinea Special"
8F 48493 leaves Rose Grove yard in a cloud of steam with a class H freight.
Meanwhile "Black 5" 44781 runs in the opposite direction with another class H freight. Rose Grove MPD is in the background.
8F 48400 enters the MPD. Note the Permanent Way gang - no hard hats, no high-vis or wet weather gear and no power tools! "That's 'ow it were in them days."
And on shed here's "Black 5" 45156 "Ayrshire Yeomanry" sadly devoid of nameplates but at least she's had a rub down with an oily rag, if only on one side.
Chris Turnbull
Great shots, very useful, especially in colour. Thanks for posting.
Newton Grove 19F
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Ah yes, just like by that low brick wall by the SE corner of Rose Grove shed main building!