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Probably about 1812.  The train locos at Middleton would have been used to marshall wagons at the pit and the staith.  No turntables so locos able to pull and push from either end.

Many locations still used animal power (eg horse and elephant) for moving single wagons until 1960's,  I have seen photo of Newmarket (Suffolk)  where a 31 has dropped off a train and then a few vehicles were shunted by horse.

One loco that I know can qualify for this is Hudswell Clarke 0-4-0ST Henry de Lacy II which was delivered from the works by rail to Kirkstall Forge and then was moved by rail to the Middleton Railway.  

There are probably a few other industrials but none that have only ever been based a few miles away from its place of manufacture.

From recolection the Crosti fitted BR 2-10-0 were classed as 8F rather than 9F

At the other end of the power range many shunting locos were classed as 0F such as the L&Y Pug

Theoretically the LMS & LNER Beyer-Garratt's should have been double digit power rating.

Probably the shock announcement is that items previously advised years ago are going to be delivered in March 2023.

There seem to be many of the older end who have not returned due to ill health etc after the pandemic.  I think that there are many who have found spending time at home researching on the computer family history etc is easier than railway work.

If you have ever thought "I'd like to help" as per a certain advertising slogan just do it. 

Most places you will find folks go to do work but the social interaction is what keeps many of them a reason to live.

George indicated that this is a development of the existing Tsunami2.  He mentioned that there was a slight increase in the size.  

No mention about how much range you can get with the controller.

Just watched the live session and it looks interesting.

Possibility for chip to be fed power by battery dc dcc etc and control by App or dcc system.  The onscreen way to amend settings looks handy.

There were quite a few Hunslet locos that had the same body style as the 05's that were built and sold to various gauges and wheel arrangements to various countries.

The LMS regauged a pair of Jinty tanks to run in the docks in Belfast.  LMS NCC.

2nd and 3rd July 2022

The annual models amongst real trains is back by popular demand.

See https://www.middletonrailway.org.uk/what-s-on/special-events

Steam trains are planned to be  running on both days

Moor Road 

Leeds

Times and fares and full address as per the link above

Hopefully the Arriva Yorkshire bus strike will be over by then.  If coming by train and bus suggest First bus (12, 13) to Hunslet Belle Isle Rd (near to Midland Road Freightliner depot).  Or the 61 to the railway.

I must admit that my model railway often doesn't get a look in or run for weeks or months.  I have been known to spend a day shunting various locos and vehicles around at the railway and you go home thinking look what we have done today.

Many groups also need folks to spend time on doing things that they can do out of the normal hours that the site is open.  I mentioned to one person that the editor of the magazine and others who are doing research etc are often as important as others even though they are not on site.

Workshop staff are crucial.  We have one lad doing GCSE's at present and has gained a paid engineering job because he has done various tasks in the workshop for many months.  

A friend works on the main line and often is not at the railway for a few weeks due to work shifts, everyone has a life to lead and sometimes you need to schedule days at the railway in amongst other aspects of life.

Smaller railways tend to be good as you will soon get to know most folks.  It's like a big family, there are times that we don't agree or avoid certain people.  If I have had a day on the train many of the passengers are regulars who we know by name and will chat to.

As per a certain clothing company slogan "just do it", you won't regret the time you put in.

I envisage that given the age of many locomotive boilers that there will quite a few who decide to stuff and mount the locomotive.  

One possible way to have some steam still running will be to use fireless locos.  Depending upon the site they are located on there would be a steam generator powered by electricity.  Many sites are likely to have a wind turbine and some solar panels.  

There are a few Swiss steam locos that have an immersion heater in the boiler to pre warm the boiler before the fireman lights a fire.  This ensures the loco uses less fuel to get up to pressure.  

Figures are available indicating that locos, both road and rail, contribute only a small percentage of the overall carbon footprint.  I bet that the visitors have a bigger footprint by the transport they use.

An agricultural show in your GER area will have had ploughing engines sent by rail from Leeds as both Fowlers and McLaren won various prizes at shows in your area.  This would bring in products loaded and sent down the Midland.  I have seen a photo of a full train of Fowlers on wagons ready to leave the Midland yard that was next to the works.

Think that some of these shows also displayed rollers as it was a good gathering for many who were interested in the products.

Full track plan for Thorp Arch 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/features/thorp_arch/index10.shtml

I'm sure that there was a thread on here about locations where the passenger train needed to do a propel move.

Examples that I can think of and have ridden include (not an exhaustive list)

Far north trains heading on the avoiding side of the shed then reversing in so that the stock can continue south of Inverness.

Limerick Junction station for trains to/from Waterford.

Trains to/from Tralee need to reverse at Killarney. 

The book about the Derwent Valley Rly mentions that Elvington base was built a mile away from the station and brought in construction materials.  Also when it became operational in Oct 1942 ammunition and ordinance were shipped to the station.

Many military bases had internal railway systems however there seemed to be no where as many compared to ordnance factories that had yards with diesel shunters.  ROF Thorpe Arch has a nice complex of trackwork and maps exist online.

The 91 was always at the north end of the rake leaving King Cross even in the HST hybrid days.  

In August 1988 I was notified by a school friend that the 89 was on a train to London so we did it from Wakefield to Donny.

There were a few instances in the early days with issues where the 91 would be run around the stock at Leeds for the return trip to London blunt end first.  Seen on both HST and MkIV rakes.

There might have been some dragged that way round as well.

Each preserved railway has a responsible person on the coach that is at the head of the train for the propelling.  Many have a window in the gangway, set of controls for the train brakes (with vacuum often a release valve) and an audible warning device.

As these are slow speed movements there is no need for full set of controls as the guard can drop the vacuum to stop the train.

I would like one of the big Hunslet locos from Scunthorpe as they are radio control fitted.  The driver could stand in the coach for the propelling movement.

Minimum requirement will be a way to stop the train using the vacuum or air brake.

I have driven diesel locos on passenger service and applied a bit too much brake and stopped mid section, this is far safer than being unable to stop.  

Any fool can get a plane, car, bus or train going, a driver is a person who can safely stop it.

9 hours ago, Dave John said:

Sad to see, but I'm sure it will get fixed. 

 

Anyway, enlighten me, What does the CHN just behind the buffer beam stand for ? 

 

 

Usual location for shed however not seeing that on

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/m_in_gwr_sheds.htm

CHR - Chester

I have had an email from Chris Percival who indicates that later this year he is looking to expand the structure "kits" later this year to include UK items.  This Australian company has items for Oz and is working on items for USA.

Products that are likely to be suitable such as terrace houses, flats and factory units.

See the his website for products.

www.abrmodelworks.com

I agree with John about EFE/OOC prices.

Slightly off topic.

When we were selling them many years ago there were many collectors who thought that "mint in box" would be the items that would go up in value but at the time I thought they were wrong as there were so many collecting them.  

One customer had the right idea they collected and kept in the packaging every ERTL model from the Thomas range as they were the toys that the kids were playing with.  Similar to DInky toys in the past.

With the likes of the National patterns being used for more than 10 models previously unless the cost of labour and transport are high it will be an item that has already paid for the pattern many times over.

These are existing castings as the part numbers follow on from the previous Nationals.  If a new casting is issued EFE use a new number range as an example see the RM.

As ever with that National casting there are obvious gaps where the different parts go together.  Not as bad as when EFE did the flat roofed one with an insert where the pod goes.

When I used to sell them a number of collectors would buy fleets that were meaningful to them.  Many would buy the first casting as this was often sought after.

The DMS looks to have a few tweaks compared to the earlier ones released in the Frank Joyce days.

As new models from all manufacturers are quite expensive compared to the vast selection of older models I am not surprised that there are far fewer new releases compared to a few years ago.

Most goods sheds would be operated similar to the loading of vehicles onto a ship as there will be a position that the loco should not pass.  To get something from the far end of the shed will need enough vehicles so that the loco remains outside.

There are a few "spare" boilers mentioned within the order books for many of the manufacturers of locos.  

I know of a mobile engineer who works for a hire company and the majority of the repairs done for locos at remote sites are carried out in the field.  Suppose that unless there is a major component failure most diesel loco repairs can be carried out without needing heavy lifting gear.

Sites with a single loco will have found ways to work around failures which will ultimately have been made the preferred operating method resulting in the loco becoming redundant.

Many sites seem to have gone for replace rather than do heavy repairs, in later years.  A failed steam loco replaced by an industrial diesel and if these became worn out replaced by discarded ex mainline diesels.

Quite a lot of diesels are easy to get parts for as the engine used as a prime mover can be common such as Gardners.  

As mentioned earlier the 2 person HRA card gives free or discounted travel on many heritage railways.  For those who are not working members at a railway you can buy a 1 person HRA card from the HRA site upon becoming a friend.

Many working members have a "working members" card which many railways accept on a reciprocal basis for complementary travel. I am aware of more railways wanting to participate.

This year will be difficult as some lines have already decided to restrict the number of days operated by steam.  It might mean that some of the staff won't get in the turns and the experience of running steam might dwindle.