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7 hours ago, Railpassion said:

In Switzerland, on the same stock, the doors often begin to close as the train moves off, finally locking as the train hits around 15kmh

 

This would be entirely against regulations (by which I don‘t mean to imply that you can‘t have witnessed this sometime in the past or on the occasional shunting movement). There‘s a fairly recent film about a night train to Barcelona (whose name escapes me), in which one character makes use of the above scenario. Most mainline passenger trains now have a traction blockage as long as doors are left open.

8 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Great idea if. like Switzerland, you've got the luxury of plenty of infrastructure to ensure a train is always platformed with its doors 'on the usual side' - that simply wouldn't work at many larger stations in Britain. Aand of course - as can often be seen running into Reading - even when a train is arriving at its booked platform that will be on the opposite side to the ones at which many passengers joined and they are already crowding towards the door on the 'wrong side'.

This would apply to UIC 13 Pole mode, which mustn‘t be used anymore – unless doors cannot be opened due to a technical failure. The normal mode is UIC 18 Pole, in which the driver liberates the doors on the relevant side.

Hello Michael

I can‘t give you an exact year for the Roco model, but it dates from when Roco (and the SBB) thought the Re 4/4 IV would be the next big thing. They don‘t have a decoder socket, but Almrose seems to offer a replacement print:

https://www.starrail.ch/de/almrose_04-30121.html

Best regards

Christian

@Gottardo: pretty much spot on, but the signal principal d‘entrée on the left would need to have four lenses just like the signal de sortie de groupe, since they control the same points.

@Flying Pig: there are several ways to give additional signaling to a group signal, the one you describe is one of the more common ones. Trouble really starts when a group signal should control more than three tracks, with some of the roads allowing for similar speeds.

The number of lights depends on the different speeds your signal should be able to indicate. That again depends on the speed which you reckon the individual points allow (excuse me if I‘m going to far towards the basics).

On the left hand station exit you could have individual signals, showing Im1, Im3 and Im2 going from the outermost to the innermost of the roads. That would amount to three lights for the two innermost signals and two for the outermost. (Edit: or four on a group signal)
 

For the right hand station exit you could have one group signal for the freight yard (if you plan to allow for starting train movements from there) and a group signal after the last turnout towards the line. That one might show Im1 for the two outermost roads and Im2 for the two others, so three lights.

(Please note that I‘m paid for reading signals, not for putting the right ones in the right place…)

Best regards

Christian

Excellent sound and a great layout too! Thanks for the link.

Something of a daft question, but so far I‘ve only ever bought DCC Sound locos 2nd hand when analog wasn‘t available anymore. I‘m tempted to buy an Inverness Class 26 and am wondering what‘s the best way to a DCC model with sound. I see that Olivia‘s trains offer a DCC Sound option, is there also a way to get a ready-to-run model with Legoman Biffo sound (of which I read great reviews)? As I live outside of the UK, ordering an analog model and then sending it in to have DCC fitted isn‘t much of an option…
 

Many thanks for your advice

Christian

These are fantasy models inspired by the Chäs Express EW I WR, most likely done by Staiber. A quick search on google brings up a matching (cheesy) Re 4/4 IV and Re 460.

A very nice pictorial survey! In case you‘re wondering, the standard gauge clerestory coach is SBB X 91140, a former dining car that was used as a cinema car.

(…and I still read the thread title as ‚Brock‘ 🙈 )

@ruggedpeak: The nearest maintenance depots for Dominos are either Geneva or Bienne. I‘m not sure how much work on the class is being done by TPF itself.

@Mol_PMB: The few pictures on flickr look brilliant! Any chance that you present your models in a thread?

Best regards

Christian

Hello Tom

Another possibility might be to use acrylic markers for the raised detail. I use Posca, mainly the 1M and 1MR series. If the surface of your model is glossy, you can always wipe or wash away any paint if you slipped off.

Best regards

Christian

15 hours ago, Gordonwis said:

Returning to the subject of rolling stock, remember that SBB Crocodiles ran between Lausanne and Aigle right up to the late 70s (locos running between their home depot at Lausanne and St Triphon refinery sidings where they shunted. I don't recall if the movements were only light engine though, sorry

Good point! There is a GmP-working in this (rather large) series below, and I remember seeing another of a shunting croc with a set of coaches, precisely to avoid a light engine movement. Didn‘t keep a link for that one unfortunately…

http://www.polier.ch/Fotoarchiv/S/SutterP/00-CH-Normalspur/000S/SBB-20-01.htm

Hello Mark

Your design already looks very Riviera…

Here are a few suggestions from the top of my head, don‘t know how much of your choices are down to gradients or track constraints:

- The way the branch line runs into the station looks a bit impractical, but also adds some flair. A connection from platform 2 or even 1 could make sense (operationally).

- The two sidings on the right might be turned around. Shunting movements into a tunnel and onto the through lines are somewhat impractical.

- The roads should perhaps cross the railway at an angle, the one on the right appears to run straight into the lake. Rather than a level crossing you could create an underpass on the left.

- If you want some narrow gauge, you could run a tramway on the seaside road (eg. VMCV or CCB). That would look interesting…

Best regards

Christian

Hello Tony

‚Artists‘ generally avoid painting over the data panels as these will get restored by the wagon owner, thus ruining the picture (depending how you look at it). That doesn‘t seem to apply for passenger trains as these will get cleaned anyway.

Regarding the mirrors on a Re 460, they work on pneumatics and fold out when the corresponding button near the deadman’s pedal is pushed. Don‘t wish to comment on the backwards movement as I wasn‘t there, etc…

Edit: Usual practice regulation is to always use the forward facing cab when shunting alone, which also means you‘ll change cabs a number of times. If accompanied by a shunter, he will uncouple the locomotive and direct the movements that are towards your back. Running around a set of coaches you would buffer up at your (the driver‘s) end, so I can‘t see why one would practice doing what you apparently saw. Hope this makes sense…

Best regards

Christian

Both the BDt and the St are EW II, but the St (along with its D(Z)t brethren) has its rain strip higher up on the body. You would also have to remove the rather prominent louvre mid-coach. That being said, nothing that can‘t be solved (or overlooked)…

Hello Jez, I‘m looking forward to seeing a model of these!

Best regards

Christian

9 hours ago, Gordonwis said:

 

 

Is Lokeli Journal what is now Loki?

Hello Gordon, Lökeli Journal ceased publishing in 2004 (see also the main page of my above link: https://www.huerz.ch/ysebahn.php ). Loki was the result of Die Modelleisenbahn (a.k.a. Goldacher Blick after the first Swiss tabloid) and Eisenbahn-Zeitschrift merging in 1991. At least they are still going strong…!

On 05/11/2023 at 10:17, cornish trains jez said:

It seems that one side of the wagon is different from the other which is unusual. 

Not quite, the upper picture shows Z 573 (Z571 - 580), the other shows Z 590 (?) from the subsequent (sub)series Z 581 - 590.

Here‘s a useful article on the different types of TPOs etc.:

http://ysebahn.huerz.ch/old_lj/lj04_96.pdf

Hello Mike

The SNCF coaches are indeed Mistral 69 coaches. One small correction: TEE Lemano used FS vehicules, TEE Cisalpin was SNCF (and SBB RAe before that). Nice pictures!

Best regards

Christian

This illustration here goes some way to show the function of dwarf signals:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwergsignal#/media/Datei%3AZs-beispiel1.png

The shunting itinerary from 4 to 34 starts with „proceed“ (dwarf signal 17) , followed by „proceed with caution“ (dwarf signal 14) and stops before the closed dwarf signal 14.

13 hours ago, Gordonwis said:

Here's a shot (one of hundreds of course!)  I took on my Swiss trip this year which shows them well. A train is still passing the point indicator which is still therefore at 'clear' for the route set, but the train is already passing the signal ahead which has already turned back to red

A dwarf signal isn't a point indicator as such, other than showing that a shunting itinerary has been set up for you and therefore the points are set along your path. Dwarf signals retain their aspect for a few seconds after the end of a train has passed, while most train signals switch back to Stop after the front of a train has passed.

Hello Tony

That looks like a busy day! The rescue train is an LRZ 08, number 001 is a reserve unit. Geneva usually has an LRZ 18 (number 014 in your previous post).

Best regards

Christian

That 3D looks great! Could you give a short description on where you started with creating the solid? I‘ve been working with DesignSpark for the past year and have found that the best method for coaches so far is to create a block with the correct roof profile and then turn it into a shell.

Christian

Hello Michael

The current meanings are:

Yellow diamond: Allowed through GBT (Gotthard Basis Tunnel),  fitted with fire-detection

Light green dot: Coaches for football specials, push-pull fitted

Yellow dot: Coaches for football specials, non push-pull

White triangle: Coach with a speaking apparatus (for guards)

Blue diamond: Vmax 160km/h, allowed on the NBS (i.e. Mattstetten-Rothrist)

Red triangle: Eigenspannungsarme Vollräder und Kunststoff-Bremssohlen, composite break pads and low residual stress-wheels(?)

White dot: Not allowed for push-pull operation

White triangle diamond: Coach with a guard‘s compartment

Best regards

Christian

Hello Bundah

The rebuilt SBB De 4/4 were also used on freight and mixed trains, although mainly in the Vallée de Joux. Here‘s a link to W. Hardmeier‘s picture threads on Drehscheibe Online,  the relevant pages are in the third paragraph: https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?099,9539277

CJ De 4/4 111 reused the electrical equipment of BDe 4/4 111 (originally MO ABDe 4/4 2) and isn‘t directly linked to the SBB De 4/4.

18 hours ago, cornish trains jez said:

That’s a good photo Gordon, thank you for posting. The roof grills are white too. Perhaps I’ll alter some of mine to reflect both the “just repainted” look and “worn” look.

 

The grilles don‘t commonly seem to get cleaned/replaced upon repaint, as seen here on 11193:

https://www.sguggiari.ch/1_archivio_news_2023_1.php?id=ffs-re-4-4-ii-11193-rossa

Compare to that 11173 that has been restored by DSF (also note that the grilles aren‘t white but aluminium coloured, as was the roof upon delivery):
 

https://www.dsf-koblenz.ch/index.php/04/04-4-1