Clagsniffer Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hi folks. I'm thinking of making a charter train using mk1 coaches for a bit of variety. I would just like to ask a few question before I go any further. First off is the formation. Now I know from various searches that they could be quite lengthy trains so I will need to compromise but my thought is: BCK, FO, RBR, FO, FO, RBR, FO hauled by an RES 47. Would this be a good compromise? Secondly is regarding the FO coaches. I don't have any, but have FK's so was planning on using them, was it only FO's used in these sets? Lastly is the painting. As far as I can tell I will need to paint the roof white, axle boxes yellow, springs red, blue for the rod thingy (torsion rod?) and white wheel rims. Because I'm using Bachmann coaches I'll need to change the InterCity branding for the executive style lettering. Have I got this right? As always, any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Presumably you are limited by the size of your layout There were different rakes, based on the type of tour The longer tours (at least two days) would actually be two rakes joined together One half would be sleepers and the other half the day coaches with one Kitchen car The shorter tours (one day) would pretty much be what you have suggested, but with two Kitchen cars Therefore there is not really any need for the second RBR You might also want to look at replacing the BCK with a Mark 2 BFK With respect to Mark 1 FK in InterCity livery, the only time I ever saw these was on the Euston - Stirling Motorail Edited July 23, 2017 by mjkerr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) With respect to Mark 1 FK in InterCity livery, the only time I ever saw these was on the Euston - Stirling MotorailLike this: Apologies for poor quality, it's a photo of a photo! (Mi scanner is broken with a capital 'F ') Though I did think that the ' C ' suffix indicated it was part of the charter fleet. Edited July 23, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Couple of photographs of one such working at Waverley, as mjkerr mentions above, this one has a substantial sleeper portion The Mk1 coach IC3134C is a FO as discussed Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 I remember working a land cruise special from Newcastle to Levisham about 1992 which had quite a few sleepers on it as the passengers slept on the train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) LandCruiser, that was the name I was after! Couple of photographs of one such working at Waverley, as mjkerr mentions above, this one has a substantial sleeper portionIf you assume each FO has 42 passengers and each Sleeper has 13 berths, you can see that if most passengers are not sharing you need about three sleepers just for that one FO Hence why the tour was so expensive Luckily the majority of passengers would travel in groups of two or four If the passenger loading allowed, then one sleeper could be dropped from the consist Edited July 24, 2017 by mjkerr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 LandCruiser, that was the name I was after! If you assume each FO has 42 passengers and each Sleeper has 13 berths, you can see that if most passengers are not sharing you need about three sleepers just for that one FO Hence why the tour was so expensive Luckily the majority of passengers would travel in groups of two or four If the passenger loading allowed, then one sleeper could be dropped from the consist I recall the Land Cruise train with 7 Mk.1s and 6 Mk.3 sleepers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hoping that Hornby will ultimately produce their forthcoming Diagram 73 FO in 'Raspberry Ripple'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) couple of pics in another RMWeb thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/71908-kyle-of-lochwilliam/?p=1734549 and some coach numbers in this thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/21006-formations-of-the-intercity-charter-rakes/?p=206429 Edited July 25, 2017 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 It's likely that the first class Mk1 rakes were repainted in swallow livery (as oposed to executive style branding) before the first 47 came out in full RES livery - possibly it would be OK with the initial red parcels livery on the 47s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40034_Nick Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Try this book. "British Railways Mark 1 coaches" by Keith Parkin. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-RAILWAYS-MARK-1-COACHES-SUPPLEMENT-K-PARKIN-HMRS-VGC-/162587454788?hash=item25daf7ad44:g:g4kAAOSwGBtZZQG6 --- https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Railways-Mark-Coaches-Supplement/dp/0902835181/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1501061320&sr=8-3&keywords=British+Railways+Mark+1+coaches Edited July 26, 2017 by 40034_Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Try this book. "British Railways Mark 1 coaches" by Keith Parkin. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-RAILWAYS-MARK-1-COACHES-SUPPLEMENT-K-PARKIN-HMRS-VGC-/162587454788?hash=item25daf7ad44:g:g4kAAOSwGBtZZQG6 --- https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Railways-Mark-Coaches-Supplement/dp/0902835181/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1501061320&sr=8-3&keywords=British+Railways+Mark+1+coaches Or here: https://hmrs.org.uk/british-railways-mark-1-coaches-supplement.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 Big thank you to everyone who has replied, appreciate it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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