nigelb Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 And having done some more work on one of the trial etches i gave it a brushed coat of humbrol matt grey ( just to see the effect ) i still need to work on the panel soldering but i think its coming on a bit. i need to work on getting the droplights frames central and the lower panels square but this is why im working on a trial etch Jamie had the right idea The next half side should be better and i will get a rattle can of grey primer, comments gratefully accepted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted June 28, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2016 That doesn't look too bad Nigel. I generally either located the panels in the cutouts then pressed it down and soldered from the back or used Mark's trick of using those tiny wooden clothes pegs to hold them in place. You can get them from Hobby Holidays but I've also found them on market stalls. I can't remember about the droplights but think that the mark 1 ones were meant to locate into the hinges, there are some cutouts on one edge. The later production ones are integral with the hinges so should self locate. Good luck. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If you check out Peter Mullen's website, 62C models, you will find he is planning to release a kit for a Holmes G7 0-4-4 tank loco later this year. This would be perfect motive power for a train of the six wheel coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If you check out Peter Mullen's website, 62C models, you will find he is planning to release a kit for a Holmes G7 0-4-4 tank loco later this year. This would be perfect motive power for a train of the six wheel coaches. Shez thanks yes I have seen this and am seriously thinking about placing a pre order 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcent Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 And having done some more work on one of the trial etches i gave it a brushed coat of humbrol matt grey ( just to see the effect ) i still need to work on the panel soldering but i think its coming on a bit. i need to work on getting the droplights frames central and the lower panels square but this is why im working on a trial etch Jamie had the right idea The next half side should be better and i will get a rattle can of grey primer, comments gratefully accepted The double layer panelling bugged me for years on John Boyle's CR coaches, and I developed the system of drilling a few holes in the back sheet, then soldering through, which Ian has now adopted. Stick each outer panel on with sellotape; jt'll be destroyed by the heat, but will last long enough the get the solder in, and the sellotape, being transparent, lets you get it lined up accurately. You can't very well bend the double thickness panel, so you need to bend the inner panel to the right shape before you start, then bend each outer panel to match. It's all a bit tedious! Allan F 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 another order from Eileens ariived at the Gf's so I can get back to working on the coach roll on pay day so the wheels and susspension units can be orsered 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 wheels roof's suspension units ordered. as the car passed MOT have some spare cash so time to order springs n axle boxes plus door handles then will make an effort and complete one of the break thirds 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 wheels check suspension units check roofs check door vents check westinghouse pipes check 0 guage track .............. shop this afternoon mmm everything is starting to come to one place plan for when i get home is clear the work bench / desk organise the required tools and extra bits make sure the camera is charged to take Step by step Pics and build the underfame first so i have something to push along the track to keep enthusiasm going 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterR Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Hi Nigel, Don't forget to give the chassis a bit of weight to keep it in order. Yours Peter,. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 have decided to be good and wait till I get the springs and axle boxes so I do not get frustrated . They are now at SWMBO's ready for collection tonight 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 as usual al my good plans go wrong so far I have not ha d a chance to work on the next coach. and now getting ahead of myself a couple of livery questions 1. whats the best colour spray can for NBR brown ? 2. were the ends also brown 3. was the underframe black 4. what colour was the roof and yes I need to join the NBRS LOL still the plan it to attend Telford next month and will get to see Lancaster Ayres in the flesh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2016 Hi Nigel Unfortunately I've no idea about livery I'm just the draughtsman. However I'll ask Mark when I see him next which will be at Telford. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 when i brought my bogie carriage to our show back in November, Mark asked me what colour i used because he said that it was close to NBR carraige colour. i used Humbrol 20 carriage 2 (7) by Sam, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 when i brought my bogie carriage to our show back in November, Mark asked me what colour i used because he said that it was close to NBR carraige colour. i used Humbrol 20 carriage 2 (7) by Sam, on Flickr Well I've got to say sir Douglas I rather like the look of that have you got any more pictures of it, sorry to ask on your thread Jamie hope you don't mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 On checking Humbol 20 is very close to Ford Burgundy I doubt if any one left alive can say with certainly what the exact shade is correct , especially as colours fade with time and appear different in changing lighting conditions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 he said tht as well, nobody knows for certain was shade of crimson it was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterR Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Hi Nigel, First the paint - it was hand mixed, (and thus could be different (there are tales of the LNER apple green - mixed during the day, and another batch mixed during the night, and naturally they were different, due to the difference in the light when mixed. There was no buying pre-mixed paint!) and the topcoat was what was called a 'lake' colour - that is it is in modern (and nearest) terms like ink - that is clear with no opaquers (like Humbrol 20 - which looks to be a solid colour (when mixed) but isn't - you DO need an solid colour undercoat for it. Thus the final colour relied on its undercoat to give it depth. Finally the coaches were varnished for protection of the paint film. This could be renewed IF the finish allowed it as varnishing was cheaper. The carriage livery sides maroon, ends, originally maroon, later black, brake ends vermilion. When new the roof was white, there is a photo of Cowlairs station with a coach having a white roof and below the rainstrip on each side painted black. That must have been before trips from Queen Street station up through the tunnel to Cowlairs! . The coach was an early design with a single 'low arc' to the roof. The above from Sandy Maclean in the NBR Journal. Maroon (even Humbrol 20) is as above transparent, and the undercoat affects the colour perceived. The NBR used a brownish colour (Brown Oxide, which Scottish railways seemed to prefer to red oxide?), and was said to be slightly different (more dull)to the Midland version. I have seen NER (also maroon/crimson) coaches painted with a navy blue undercoat which also make a rich colour; I suspect that the 'brown' (undercoat) was towards the dark end of the spectrum (perhaps the fitted stock colour?). Thus black, medium to dark grey, or dark (chocolate), or red oxide, or a dark russett brown, tending to a warm red undercoat will give some variety. Here is a link to a 'transparent brown oxide - look at the top end of the image for what I think the solid version would be like http://d4of2brjuv1jo.cloudfront.net/imagefiles/recent/2874.jpg Finally a light coat of 'muck' will tone it down! Especially if you scratch build a CCT or a horsebox. Crimson or Maroon basically the same colour, was a long lasting colour thus the use by many railways; the Midland for instance had 17 coats of paint (incl. varnishes) for their carriages! Thought I doubt that you would want that?. The interior would be dark wood (mahogany(?) for 1st and yellow brown for the lower classes the last being at this link http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/sorting-out-satinwoods/ Yours Peter Edited August 25, 2016 by PeterR 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Cheers Peter that's most helpful I am pleased to not that they did not waste money on such fripperies as lining lol Think I will have a go at red oxide undercoat as well as grey to see how they turn out I even like the idea of a coat of blue under the burgundy lots of scope for variations . but this is down the track a wee bit , need to finish a coach first 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 25, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just to let folk know, we now have another batch of etches in stock. These are for all the four types of coach, 5 cpt 1st, 6 cpt 3rd, Br 3rd and saloon. These will be with us on Lancaster Green Ayre at Telford. We also plan to have them with us at Scotgog at Linlithgow in October. The price is still the same as before £45 each or £200 for a rake of 5. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just to let folk know, we now have another batch of etches in stock. These are for all the four types of coach, 5 cpt 1st, 6 cpt 3rd, Br 3rd and saloon. These will be with us on Lancaster Green Ayre at Telford. We also plan to have them with us at Scotgog at Linlithgow in October. The price is still the same as before £45 each or £200 for a rake of 5. Jamie Nooooooooo just cos i told you i was coming to telford you put temptation in my way ........... do you take credit cards ? lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 25, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2016 Nooooooooo just cos i told you i was coming to telford you put temptation in my way ........... do you take credit cards ? lol Unfortunately not but we could arrange internet banking. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterR Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Hi Nigel, Alas the NBR did line the coaches, I suspect that even them did not try unlined (except possibly some older stock) vehicles, especially with the competition (the CR) ignoring the colour here is a copy of a West Highland coach on the west of Scotland 0 Gauge layout at Bo'ness (off the Flicker site link https://www.flickr.com/photos/bogog/page1/ there are almost 1500 0 gauge photos so far, naturally of all sorts of railways but in O gauge naturally) named b 'Glenauchter' Here is another - off the web, of a 6 wheeler, some of the NBR painters in front of it Finally from the BRM of October 1994, which had a 'Railway Liveries' centrefold on the NBR is a section of a west highland (again) coach; note the lining included the edges of the cantrail ventilator bonnets when fitted. The 6 wheeler has smooth bonnets on the doors. There is a small set of photos at http://www.gotopcs.net/461intro.htm as well with close ups of the letterig & crerst for you./ Yours Peter Edited August 25, 2016 by PeterR 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 im a follower of that flickr, some excellent stuff in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) shopping list for the weekend Can of red primer can of ford burgundy and a can of royal blue to play at getting the colours right just eed clarification on the lining colour about.1895 and i managed to purchase a nice book about the Edinburgh suburban and south side junction railway has lots of nice details Edited September 2, 2016 by nigelb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 shopping list for the weekend Can of red primer can of ford burgundy and a can of royal blue to play at getting the colours right just eed clarification on the lining colour about.1895 and i managed to purchase a nice book about the Edinburgh suburban and south side junction railway has lots of nice details went shopping in halfords and a very nice young man chatted about the idea of blue under red ........... said you will nail it with them colours it will give a nice rich red 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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