bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 An Old Wagon in a box at the bottom in the rubbish, but what is it? and who made it, it just has Made in England on the bottom, and Tri-ang couplings, so Tri-ang? Never like throwing out, so a restore and re-wheel, (the broken wheels did not look like Tri-ang), but what is the prototype?, (the transfers remains seem to have NER on the left). It needs the brakes moved inline with wheels,, new buffers and modern couplings, plus handrails on the end, and details of a livery as well. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 It's a triang Hornby coke wagon, used to branded Bannockburn coke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 To which the answer is..... Tri-ang Hornby OO R781 N-E-R Coke Wagon.....after thinking to use Google image search to find the type. Anybody know what the real livery was.....? Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2016 Hornby NE Coke Wagon http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=291 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 One of these - http://ebid.s3.amazonaws.com/upload_big/4/4/4/1354475559-6674-69.jpg Looks to be tapered so probably based on diagram R5, the second wagon here, the others are R4. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7771/926/400/image%20elect%20small.0.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 I hadn't realised it appeared in so many liveries. Is it still current, and how accurate is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 Is it still current, and how accurate is it? Hopefully not because not very. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Got the same shot, where they confined to the NER? seems an odd choice of wagon for Triang. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 I love the latter shot seen it before but an excellent picture. I always wonder if the train air brake was ever used on these loco's other than when running together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 wg rm.jpg Got the same shot, where they confined to the NER? seems an odd choice of wagon for Triang. Stephen. They will have got across to West Cumberland and I believe the may have been used to Scunthorpe. I love the latter shot seen it before but an excellent picture. I always wonder if the train air brake was ever used on these loco's other than when running together There were no wagons used on the route that had automatic brakes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Well, never waste a wagon, it can be re-painted......and it has rivets to count! New wheels to dig out, and then the buffers, two missing, and a coupling. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 Paul I know that's what I mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 As far as I know the only air fitted NER wagons were some 24t ironstone hoppers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 The colour is odd in the digital shot, blue, it is dark grey in normal light, (daylight lamp), so I will do it in a lighter grey, with load, and new brakes in line with the tyres. Just needs NER and a serial number. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 As far as I know the only air fitted NER wagons were some 24t ironstone hoppers It was the 30t S3 hoppers, not sure if the bogie coal hoppers were fitted? there were of course fish and perishable wagons that were fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 A spot of painting and lettering? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 It was the 30t S3 hoppers, not sure if the bogie coal hoppers were fitted? there were of course fish and perishable wagons that were fitted. I know some NER wagons were vacuum fitted but it's only the ironstone hoppers I know were air fitted A lot of NER freight loco's had no train brake, the Q7s being a notable exception having vac train brakes. I believe J21s and 25s having dual brakes whereas later classes had none Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 A spot of painting and lettering? paint rm.jpg Stephen. That's in Faverdale wagon works, early 20's. The building, like the wagons was brand new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2016 A spot of painting and lettering? paint rm.jpg Stephen. Interesting how the lettering is placed over the strapping. It would be much easier to move the letters inward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Looks like you have the standard lever handbrake on the chassis moulding, AND a representation of the end lever handbrake on the body moulding! Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 wg rm.jpg Got the same shot, where they confined to the NER? seems an odd choice of wagon for Triang. Stephen. No stranger than the Hull & Barnsley van that formed a staple of their wagon range . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 ...seems an odd choice of wagon for Triang. No stranger than the Hull & Barnsley van that formed a staple of their wagon range The 'odd choice of wagon' syndrome, long endemic to RTR. Why pick the version of a wagon or a wagon type that can be seen 'everywhere' when a real rarity offers (BR 1/250 meat, 150 examples) likewise cattle wagons, SR vans, china clay opens etc.. I can see sense in adding the 'spice' to a range of standard types, but ignoring the standard types near completely - something we are only just escaping in RTR - and majoring on relative rarities is inexplicable to this boring fellow. Interesting how the lettering is placed over the strapping. It would be much easier to move the letters inward. Sometimes it was. What was the instruction to the paint shop foreman? 'Dispose ownership markings symmetrically?'. That would be open to interpretation, symmetrically about centreline only, or symmetrically within panel also? I can see in some pictures of wagons by outside contractors that the 'N E' is disposed symmetrically only about centreline, avoiding crossing the ironwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 This is a typical Triang compromise, have chassis and will put a body on it! It has all the features of the North Eastern R5 coke hopper, even having a representation of the end brake! The main compromise is that it is on the all steel 16' 6" OH chassis! If the chassis was changed to a wooden one I am sure that it would make a passable R5 (end brake) or R6 Coke Hopper (converted from P4) , or a P4 Coal Hopper if the Coke Raves were removed! Drawings of these are in Tatlow LNER Wagons Vol Two. Beware that the drawing is a side elevation of a R6 and end elevation of the R5. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2016 No stranger than the Hull & Barnsley van that formed a staple of their wagon range . And the NER refrigerator van was there just as long, I'm sure there was quite a few accurate models spoilt by that naff chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 And the NER refrigerator van was there just as long, I'm sure there was quite a few accurate models spoilt by that naff chassis. The biggest crime of the "Naff" chassis is the Cemflo, it captures the shape of the prototype but would be nice if this model was introduced in its correct incarnation! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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