RMweb Premium NCB Posted January 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'm trying to clarify in my own mind some details of these wagons. I'm aware that Pickering built at least one, 2416 in 1903, and Oswestry built one, 2450, in 1904. But I believe there were others. I have a Cambrian G.A. drawing for one, drawing number 900, NRM 9002, undated, but signed off by Herbert Jones. Big question is, were all these to essentially the same design? Second question. I know of one pic, of 2450. The CAM RYS lettering looks to my eyes a bit over the top, even by the Cambrian's standards. Would this be one of their "for the photographer" specials, or would all of the wagons have been painted in this style? Any thoughts appreciated. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 2400-2449 Pickering Built 1903 2450-2469 Oswestry Built 1904. Both near as damn it identical, although as I understand it there is a sheet steel facing specified to the solebar in the Jones drawing that is not present in the Pickering drawing. It is impossible to tell from pics if such was fitted. 2 livery options traced so far, with the CAM and RYS elements taking up either 2 or 3 planks, the Fleur de lis was always above the door. I have yet to see one bearing CAMBRIAN livery to see how that was applied, if it ever was. The only thing on the official pic of 2450 that's out of keeping with traffic livery is the white tyres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Nigel, You have mail. It will not answer all your questions but it will answer some. It would appear that Pickering built nos 2400- 2449, and Oswestry 2450- 2469. There were others built later but with earlier numbers, and others for loco coal but I am not sure if they were to the same design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted January 13, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2017 Thanks, Alan, Chris. Very useful. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted February 3, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2017 A 15T wagon in 3mm scale! A few months ago Quarryscapes reduced one of his 3D prints for a 15T wagon body to 3mm scale for me, also some Cambrian springs/axle-boxes and buffers. Since then I've set about doing an etch for the chassis, which I received back a week ago, and the wagon is complete (apart from some coupling hooks I had etched but haven't yet added). Here are 3 pics, showing the basic chassis, the body sitting on the basic chassis, and the end result. The chassis is mainly one fold up etch, with the ends folding down between the sides, and an extra bit then folding underneath to provide a platform for mounting couplings. The brake gear apart from the straps is also a single etch, folding onto itself to provide double thickness then locating in slots in the floor. I made one mistake; the brake blocks are a bit too thin, as I moved the inner surface slightly further away from the wheel and forgot to move the outer surface the same amount. I'm very pleased with this. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2017 Nigel, Looking good, and in 3mm as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted February 4, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2017 2400-2449 Pickering Built 1903 2450-2469 Oswestry Built 1904. Both near as damn it identical, although as I understand it there is a sheet steel facing specified to the solebar in the Jones drawing that is not present in the Pickering drawing. It is impossible to tell from pics if such was fitted. 2 livery options traced so far, with the CAM and RYS elements taking up either 2 or 3 planks, the Fleur de lis was always above the door. I have yet to see one bearing CAMBRIAN livery to see how that was applied, if it ever was. The only thing on the official pic of 2450 that's out of keeping with traffic livery is the white tyres. The bit I was wondering about re the livery was the M, in particular the way the bottom of the V reaches down to the baseline. Looks odd to my eyes. Re the 2 plankk version of CAM RYS, was this essentially the same as on say the 2 and 4 plank wagons? Cheers Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The bit I was wondering about re the livery was the M, in particular the way the bottom of the V reaches down to the baseline. Looks odd to my eyes. Re the 2 plankk version of CAM RYS, was this essentially the same as on say the 2 and 4 plank wagons? Cheers Nigel The 2 plank variety M is indeed 'normal'. A 15T wagon in 3mm scale! A few months ago Quarryscapes reduced one of his 3D prints for a 15T wagon body to 3mm scale for me, also some Cambrian springs/axle-boxes and buffers. Since then I've set about doing an etch for the chassis, which I received back a week ago, and the wagon is complete (apart from some coupling hooks I had etched but haven't yet added). Here are 3 pics, showing the basic chassis, the body sitting on the basic chassis, and the end result. The chassis is mainly one fold up etch, with the ends folding down between the sides, and an extra bit then folding underneath to provide a platform for mounting couplings. The brake gear apart from the straps is also a single etch, folding onto itself to provide double thickness then locating in slots in the floor. I made one mistake; the brake blocks are a bit too thin, as I moved the inner surface slightly further away from the wheel and forgot to move the outer surface the same amount. g58.jpg g59.jpg g61.jpg I'm very pleased with this. Nigel Looking very good indeed, and more advanced than my 4mm ones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 A nice thread but why no photograph of the real thing as I can't pass comment based on a half built model and captions? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted February 18, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2017 Here's the beast after a pass through the paint shops. Bit scruffy at this magnification; I have trouble doing strapping neatly! I used Railmatch LNER Freight Grey and Weathered Black. The grey might be a bit dark and maybe ordinary black would be as good. It also shows one buffer head is projecting a bit too much (far right). I was using Zap-a-gap medium which claims to allow you time to adjust things but it doesn't, grabbed very quickly. On the final buffer I used Zap-a-gap slow, which was much better. Not sure if the outer V hanger where it lies on the solebar should be grey or black; I guessed grey. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Here's the beast after a pass through the paint shops. Bit scruffy at this magnification; I have trouble doing strapping neatly! I used Railmatch LNER Freight Grey and Weathered Black. The grey might be a bit dark and maybe ordinary black would be as good. It also shows one buffer head is projecting a bit too much (far right). I was using Zap-a-gap medium which claims to allow you time to adjust things but it doesn't, grabbed very quickly. On the final buffer I used Zap-a-gap slow, which was much better. g64.jpg Not sure if the outer V hanger where it lies on the solebar should be grey or black; I guessed grey. Nigel Depends who painted it, Outside contractors did it black, Oswestry did it grey. By the way, I have started adding further 3mm stock and parts to Shapeways, I've just been a bit distracted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted February 22, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2017 Depends who painted it, Outside contractors did it black, Oswestry did it grey. By the way, I have started adding further 3mm stock and parts to Shapeways, I've just been a bit distracted! Alan, Thanks for the Shapeways additions; I'll take a look. By the way, I sent you a message to your Shapeways site, which you've probably seen. Did try to contact you via Coast Line Models, but the email link didn't seem to be working. Cheers Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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