Penrhos1920 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I was all set to start building track for my Cameo layout and realised that I don't have any gauges for 4SF. Plenty of P4 ones but they're no help. A quick search on the web and I can't find any as C&L are offline at the moment. I'm looking for a triangular gauge and check rail gauge. Does anyone know if there is another source please? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted July 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) I was all set to start building track for my Cameo layout and realised that I don't have any gauges for 4SF. Plenty of P4 ones but they're no help. A quick search on the web and I can't find any as C&L are offline at the moment. I'm looking for a triangular gauge and check rail gauge. Does anyone know if there is another source please? https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/3-point-track-gauge-ooho-special-fine-16-2mm/ https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/roller-gauge-whandle-ooho-special-fine-16-2mm-bh-2-pack/ Note that unlike the C&L gauges, the dimensions for these DCC Concepts gauges haven't been published and it's not clear which size rail they fit. For a separate check gauge (essential in my view, but not everyone agrees), only C&L do one. You could file the unwanted flanges off these DCC Concepts gauges to make a check gauge. For a 1.0mm crossing flangeway gauge, use feeler gauges as sold by car shops for setting spark plugs. I'm sure the C&L web site will be back online soon, or you may be able to buy the 00-SF gauges from them at shows. More info: http://4-sf.uk n.b. Note that the DCC Concepts 14.75mm and 14.85mm back-to-back gauges are NOT suitable for 4-SF / 00-SF. They are intended for the DOGA-Fine standard instead ( https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/back-to-back-ooho-fine-14-75mm/ and https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/back-to-back-ooho-special-fine-14-85mm/ ). regards, Martin. Edited July 8, 2017 by martin_wynne n.b. added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/3-point-track-gauge-ooho-special-fine-16-2mm/ https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/roller-gauge-whandle-ooho-special-fine-16-2mm-bh-2-pack/ Note that unlike the C&L gauges, the dimensions for these DCC Concepts gauges haven't been published and it's not clear which size rail they fit. For a separate check gauge (essential in my view, but not everyone agrees), only C&L do one. You could file the unwanted flanges off these DCC Concepts gauges to make a check gauge. For a 1.0mm crossing flangeway gauge, use feeler gauges as sold by car shops for setting spark plugs. I'm sure the C&L web site will be back online soon, or you may be able to buy the 00-SF gauges from them at shows. More info: http://4-sf.uk n.b. Note that the DCC Concepts 14.75mm and 14.85mm back-to-back gauges are NOT suitable for 4-SF / 00-SF. They are intended for the DOGA-Fine standard instead ( https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/back-to-back-ooho-fine-14-75mm/ and https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/back-to-back-ooho-special-fine-14-85mm/ ). regards, Martin. Make sure you but the DCC Concepts bullhead version as the rail head of code 82 flatbottom is narrower than bullhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2017 For a check rail gauge, I have several lengths of 2mm x 1mm section (some are nickel silver and some are brass, it makes no difference). These are chemically blackened to prevent them getting soldered in place. If you have several, it allows you to set the wing rails either side of the crossing V. The first one I put in using a full width track gauge and one 1mm strip. The second one I put in using two 1mm strips. I rarely use a roller type gauge now. I have some flat plate jigs (I work in EM so they are 18.2mm), which are rectangular but with a slot cut in the end so they will go vertically over other rails. They are about an inch long so they give a tiny bit of gauge widening round curves too. I do have a collection of roller gauges that I have collected over the years. Some from the EMGS and others from other manufacturers and when I put them over track that I have built using my 18.2mm flat plate gauge (which is accurate and has been checked with my vernier), I find that none of them are exactly right! So it is worth being a bit wary. It is one of the reasons why I stopped using them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) You can make your own gauges by using 8bg studding, various bits of tubing, nuts and a selection of washers, for roller type gauges. or a small piece of brass sheet with notches carefully cut into them Peco supply a flat nickle silver gauge, having 00 on one side, EM on another and P4 on a third side, anyone who has the ability to etch metal sheet could copy the idea for 00sf, 16.2 on one side and check gauge on the other Edited July 9, 2017 by hayfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I milled out check gauges rather like the three point 00-SF gauges , I find these more stable then the rollers , which I'm moving away from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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