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#1 2996 Victor

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 17:47

Having been a forum member for a couple of years, I'm almost ashamed to say this my first post!

 

I've been interested in railways and model-making for as long as I can remember. Any number of ideas and paper schemes have come and gone between juvenile part-built layouts and the here-and-now, but it was my young Number 2 Son's recent request for an N Gauge layout at my house has been the necessary catalyst to actually get some worthwhile modelling done.

 

But what, you may ask, has N Gauge got to do with the ALR in 009? Well, my fiancee lives in Derbyshire, not far from the ALR, and it struck a chord with me. I find narrow gauge fascinating, but, and with all due respect for those who follow the freelance path, I prefer schemes which spring off prototype lines in the way that many branch-line termini are fictional spurs off of main-line companies.

 

So here is my nascent scheme for the terminus of a fictional twig off of the Ashover Light Railway, as yet un-named:

 

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The planning process, as with all my layout ideas, started with a pencil sketch. This time, I progressed to Peco point templates and rectangular outlines of the ALR's ex-WD bogie wagons. It won't be too hard to recognise it as basically an Inglenook puzzle. The addition of a kick-back siding and a small platform and shelter are there to add a bit of variety to movements. There isn't a loop, I'm assuming that instead there's a triangular junction just off-stage to the left like the one at the real Ashover Butts. The track work will all be Peco code 55 as I want it to look as light as possible, but will be heavily ballasted to disguise its origins. The 2D plan/mock-up is basically three sheets of A4 taped together. The baseboard is probably going to be 1m long x 0.3m (or 0.4m) wide to allow for some scenery at the end and along the front and back, and there will be a simple detachable fiddle yard at the left hand end.

 

Just for comparison purposes, the photo below shows a standard gauge 4mm scale Cambrian Railways two-plank drop-side wagon:

 

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I suppose if nothing else, it proves that 009 isn't necessarily smaller than OO/EM/P4!!!

 

So that's it so far. Don't hold your breath, as progress will be erratic, but hopefully not too slow! And I've got two Dundas 009 WD bogie wagons to be getting on with.....

 

Cheers for now!

 

Mark


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 17:50

looks good, will you be getting one of these in due course:

 

http://www.hattons.c...tockDetail.aspx

 

all the best,

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 19:13

Hi Keith,

 

Yes, absolutely! And in crimson! But just the one, I think - need to save some pennies, now  :)

 

Cheers,

 

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 18:23

Sadly, no actual progress to report as my imagination has been tugged in several different directions recently, and a couple of other schemes are forming which may or may not come to fruition alongside "Ashover"!

 

I have, however, decided to supplement my selection of wagon kits (2!) with a couple of 3D printed examples which are currently on order. I really need to get the kits built so that I can make a comparison between the two media. Should be interesting!

 

I'm also having second thoughts about my track. PECO is the obvious selection for ease of use, and the N Gauge Code 55 I had intended to use is of a reasonable rail profile. The sleepers are the issue, of course, although I'd intended to disguise them under ballast. On the real ALR track the sleepers are ballast-deep but the tops are visible. If only PECO had decided to make their 009 "main line" track with Code 55 rail.....Plus, of course, the point blades are bit, somehow obvious. Ho hum!

 

Which has led me to wonder if there are any other options available, i.e. a fine rail (Code 55 or lower) with prototypical-looking sleepers, which won't be too time-consuming to build and lay. I suspect not.....



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 21:45

Hi Mark

 

To be honest with you, if this is your first 009 layout then I would stick with Peco track for now, I say that as Pete Wilson who owns Willesden Junction the WW1 layout did hand build all the track for that layout in the first place, but over time he has now replaced it with Peco mainline 009 for better running. There was nothing wrong with his homebuilt track, but I believe it just needed more attention before each running session.

 

As the layout is now in a fixed location he does not have to move it and that also helps.

 

You mentioned that it may well be used as an N gauge layout as well, if you wanted it to do that, then remember that off the shelf N gauge stock would not run through code 40 rail without replacing the wheel sets.

 

I dont want to put you off but these are just observations I have made over the past few years.

 

Good luck with the project. Below I have found a link on how to build code 40 rail points and track which I hope is useful.   

 

http://www.rmweb.co....php?f=8&t=42746

 

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 14:49

Hi Colin,

 

many thanks for your post! I think you're probably right about sticking with PECO track.

 

I know PECO quality is good - my Dad and I used Streamline OO track years ago - my "wavering" stems from simply wanting things to look more "right".

 

Of course, I realise that OO9 "scales" at 2'3" gauge, which is already wrong for the Ashover Light Railway, but I'd like the rails to look as light-weight as possible. That's why I initially planned to use Streamline Code 55 and disguise the sleepering under ballast. The alternative is their OO9 "mainline" track, which has better sleepering but the rail is heavier and of course the range doesn't include the tandem 3-way point.

 

So, to be practical and hope to have something running before I'm too much older, I think PECO track is the route I'll take. As with everything, there are compromises to be made!

 

The N gauge layout, which will be a joint project with Number Two Son, will be a separate project, and that's going to be PECO N Streamline anyway!

 

Cheers,

 

Mark



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 17:22

Hi all,

A small update in that there arrived yesterday via a large brown van a small cardboard box containing two 3D-printed War Department bogie wagons and some extra bogies.

Being about to set off for a weekend away, I did no more than briefly look at them in their plastic bags.

Although encouraging, closer examination will be undertaken upon our return!

Cheers,

Mark


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 18:59

Having had an excellent weekend away with my better half in Lynton, I spent this afternoon starting assembly of two Dundas WD Class D bogie wagon kits.

 

The first one is pretty advanced, having assembled the body and the bogies and added a little extra detail to the brake operating gear. The body has had a several mist coats of light grey automotive cellulose paint. The second has got as far as having the body assembled.

 

These kits have excellent detail and are crisply moulded, the only downside is there is quite a bit of flash on the bogie mouldings, but it cleans up quite nicely with a little patience.

 

Comparing the Dundas kits to the 3D-printed versions shows that the kits are far, far superior. I knew they'd be better, but overall I was frankly a little disappointed by the level of detail on the 3D-printed models. I'll use them, but I'll be sticking with the Dundas kits from now on. I'll try and get a couple of photos tomorrow.

 

Oh, and we spent a very pleasant couple of hours at the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway!

 

Cheers,

 

Mark



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 21:29

Can anyone recommend some "finescale" OO9 rolling stock wheel sets?



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:06

A few photos of the first Dundas WD Class D bogie wagon in progress, with the 3D-printed version alongside for comparison:

 

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It's slightly unfair on the 3D-printed version as it's unpainted, but details such as bolt-heads are very vague compared to the injection moulded kit. I'm not really sure what I was expecting, but other 3D-printed models I've seen (such as Coastline Models) seem really crisp in comparison.

 

A quick measure also shows some issues.

 

The ALR's ex-WD bogie wagons measure 17' 8-1/2" by 4' 9-1/2" internally, which scales at 70.833mm by 19.166mm.

 

The models, which were measured with a scale rule so this won't be terribly accurate, are:

 

Dundas kit: 68.5mm by 19.0mm.

 

3D-print: 69.0mm by 16.0mm.

 

Of course I realise that at 4mm/1ft scale that you're not going to manage dead-scale thickness of the body-work planking, so I think that the lengths are acceptable. However, the width of the 3D-printed model is a scale nine inches too narrow.

 

Onward and upward!

 

Cheers for now,

 

Mark



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 15:54

A little more progress:

 

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Both wagon bodies are now sprayed, interiors painted, and one repaired plank painted in a slightly different shade. When your entire fleet of goods stock consists of basically the same type of wagon (there will be one Class E!), a few small touches add a little bit of welcome variety.....

 

Ironwork and solebars are still to picked out in black (read: dark grey), and weathering will follow transfers. These two will probably have loads of crushed stone, but the real things seem to have carried almost anything, so again there's some scope for a bit of variation in how the finished fleet will look.

 

Cheers for now!


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:01

Can anyone recommend some "finescale" OO9 rolling stock wheel sets?

 

I mainly use Farish coach wheels as they are non-magnetic and not affected by Greenwich magnets. The Romford wheels that come with Dundas kits should be fine.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:05

I mainly use Farish coach wheels as they are non-magnetic and not affected by Greenwich magnets. The Romford wheels that come with Dundas kits should be fine.

 

Hi Neil,

 

many thanks - I'll stick with the kit wheels. I hadn't realised they were Romfords - I guess they'll be fine with the PECO Code 55 N Gauge track I'm thinking of using.

 

Best regards,

 

Mark



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Posted 01 October 2017 - 15:19

No progress.....in fact, a small step backwards.

 

I started to pick out the black ironwork on one of the Class D bodies, and found that I really do need new glasses.....So it's been repainted in body grey ready for another go when I have more suitable magnification!

 

On a plus note, I've had a couple of sets of transfers arrive from the Old Time Workshop, so I'm looking forward to giving those a try in due course!

 

Enquiries have been made about getting some baseboards made, which are quite favourable. I'm probably going to mirror the track plan such that the long siding runs from the right-hand side of the 3-way. That way, the overall length of track can be slightly reduced and room created for a little extra scenery at the end of the baseboard.

 

Cheers for now,

 

Mark



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 18:27

Not sure whether its entirely appropriate to post this pic here as its OO track with an HO Western Maryland 2-10-0, but here is a little something I picked up on ebay:

 

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A rather nice laser-cut wooden board crossing! The ebay link is: http://www.ebay.co.u...-of-5-Crossings

 

Yes, they're 4mm/OO, but I can cut them down for Ashover, and I can also use them on the Greenbrier & Elk River layout as they wouldn't look out of place  :)


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:36

An email notification arrived earlier from Hattons regarding the Bachmann Baldwin 4-6-0T, release of which has been delayed until April-May 2018. Ho hum.....

 

However, on a brighter note, I've ordered a Meridian Ashover coach kit from Narrow Planet. Just need a few more Class Ds and a Class E!


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 20:58

And the Meridian coach kit arrived today from Narrow Planet!  :)


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:45

Those 3D prints are done in WSF are they? It's a terrible material for modelling in smaller scales - however, even in FUD the kit wagons in styrene will be of superior quality vs the price.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:04

Hi James,

 

yes, they're WSF - it was the only option available, unfortunately. I realise that technology is always advancing, but to be honest, I'm somewhat discouraged from using 3D-printed models any time again soon!

 

Cheers,

 

Mark



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:20

WSF is mostly a waste of time.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:21

It certainly seems that way - annoying as I could have used the funds for something more worthwhile.....Ho hum!



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 14:34

3D printing certainly needs to be understood well by the kit/model designer. I use it in my own models, and in kits I design...

https://paxton-road..../label/3D print

and it's a very versatile medium that when used to it's advantages can allow modellers to achieve great results.

 

Sorry - off topic...

Back on topic... look forward to watching this develop :)



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Posted 20 October 2017 - 14:32

3D printing certainly needs to be understood well by the kit/model designer. I use it in my own models, and in kits I design...

https://paxton-road..../label/3D print

and it's a very versatile medium that when used to it's advantages can allow modellers to achieve great results.

 

Sorry - off topic...

Back on topic... look forward to watching this develop :)

 

James, not off topic at all!

 

You make excellent points - it's such a shame that the WD wagons weren't produced with a little more thought - they look like they have great potential, apart from being significantly under width, that is! As I mentioned (somewhere) above, I've seen some 3D printed rolling stock that looks absolutely superb, which is why I had a bit on "Oh!" :( moment when these arrived.

 

I've had a quick look at your link - it's most interesting, I must say. I'll be back, to coin a phrase!

 

Thanks for your complement, as well - hopefully it won't be too long before I make some tangible progress  :)

 

Cheers,

 

Mark









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