Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0T - "Canal Type"

[Alex TM]

Hi again,

 

Today seems to be a day of questions, both at work and here.

 

Anyway, I have been given print of some elevations of what is an HC inside cylinder 0-6-0T described on a note as a "Canal Class".  What I do not have is a scale for the drawing.  Can anyone help with some basic dimensions (e.g. wheel diameter or wheelbase, length over frames, etc) as that'll help me work out what settings to use on he copier to get it to a scale I can work with?  If it's of help, it's the version with the 'short' side tanks.

 

Anyone help with why it's called a 'Canal Class'?

 

As ever, thanks in advance for any help.

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

 

 

[Marshall5]

Hi Alex, It's because Hudswell Clarke supplied 26? of them to the Manchester Ship Canal Co.  Followed by another sizeable batch of "long tanks"

On the drawing I have it also refers to them as "Canal". Some basic dimensions of the "short tanks" which should help you establish a scale:

Length over buffer beams 21' - overall 24'

Max width 8' 3"

Height over chimney 11' 6"

Wheel dia. 3' 4 1/2"

Wheelbase 10' 3"

I can recommend 'Railways of the Manchester Ship Canal' if you can get hold of a copy at a reasonable price. There is a short tank at the KWVR and one at the East Lancs. Best of luck with your project.

Cheers,

Ray.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Marshall5

[Alex TM]

Hi Ray,

 

Thanks for the dimensions and the explanation.  Next time I'm in the office and get some peace I'll play about with the copier; it'll be interesting to see how big she looks when reduced to 4mm scale.  Googled the MSC - quite a lot out there.

 

Again, many thanks.

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[Gordon A]

There is a 4mm kit in the CSP range.

http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=120

 

Gordon A

[Arthur]

 

Photos of both types in preservation here;

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124647-side-tank-extensions-and-their-commonality/?p=2794022

 

The long tanks, known as the Sweden type, were needed as a consequence of the size of the MSC system. The ‘main line’ ran for fifteen miles or so between Salford and Warrington.

 

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[Alex TM]

Hi Gordon, and Arthur,

 

Thanks for that additional information.

 

I am not sure I am at the kit building stage yet, it was curiousity having been given the drawing.

 

Hadn't heard the name 'Sweden' applied to a loco before.  There was an HC tank similar to this, but with a level' tank top that ran near to where I grew up (Bedlay Colliery if you're curious).

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[PenrithBeacon]

Hi Gordon, and Arthur,

 

Thanks for that additional information.

 

I am not sure I am at the kit building stage yet, it was curiousity having been given the drawing.

 

Hadn't heard the name 'Sweden' applied to a loco before. There was an HC tank similar to this, but with a level' tank top that ran near to where I grew up (Bedlay Colliery if you're curious).

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

The MSC applied names to its engines before WW1. One of these engines was called ‘Sweden’.

 

Is the etched kit ok?

 

Regards

[Alex TM]

Hi David,

 

Thanks for the information on the name.  I don't have a kit, just a set of elevations; they didn't seem to be to a scale I recognised (looked a bit bigger than 0).  Once I've got access to the copier, and armed with the information from Ray in post 2, I'll be able to see just how big or small these locos are compared to something like an austerity.

 

Again, thanks for the help.

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[rope runner]

Much smaller than an austerity.

 

Paul A.

[jdb82]

I'm currently building a short tank Hudswell Clarke from the MSC (7mm scale), and have been looking for a set of drawings. Where did you obtain yours from? I'd be interested in getting a set for myself!

[avonside1563]

Scan of the drawing in the book mentioned above by Marshall5. The drawing isn't very big but may help you get a better idea.

 

[Down_Under]

CSP make a kit

 

http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&path=65&product_id=118

[Alex TM]

Hi,

 

Thanks for the extra info, especially the drawing and data.  I'd swear that the more I look at this the smaller the loco gets!

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[avonside1563]

The canal class are around the same size as "Lady Armaghdale" at the Severn Valley (or its MSC identity of "14" "St.John"), height and length they are the same but the Canal class have a bigger boiler and tanks and weigh in around 2.5 tons heavier.