Help with Signals

[Rowsley17D]

 

Please refer to the signal diagram below

 

 

What does the group in the red circle do?

 

In the green circle does signal 17 control the route to the up line via the scissors crossover and 18 to the down line?

 

What is the meaning of drawing a signal like this in the blue circle?

 

Are the short post signals such as 3 and 29 ground/disc or shunting signals? 

 

The diagram was taken from J Swift Collection BR Layout Plans of the 1950s published by the Signalling Record Society and will be removed if it infringes copyright.

 

Thanks to you signal specialists in advance of your input.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Rowsley17D

[LNERGE]

Please refer to the signal diagram below

 

Signals 01.jpg

 

What does the group in the red circle do?

 

In the green circle does signal 17 control the route to the up line via the scissors crossover and 18 to the down line?

 

What is the meaning of drawing a signal like this in the blue circle?

 

Are the short post signals such as 3 and 29 ground/disc or shunting signals? 

 

The diagram was taken from J Swift Collection BR Layout Plans of the 1950s published by the Signalling Record Society and will be removed if it infringes copyright.

 

Thanks to you signal specialists in advance of your input.

6 is your outer home. It is also the starter for the box in rear. Both boxes need to pull the controlling lever to get it to come off. The same applies to the signal in the blue circle. It is your up starter and the home or outer home for the box in advance. The LMS/LMR drew their shunt discs as miniature signals. I can't read the diagram properly. Is 18 below 17?

Edited February 19, 2018 by LNERGE

[Rowsley17D]

Hi LNERGE 17 is over 18. It's not very clear on the original either. What are the rest of the signals in the red circle for? The next box was Buxton East which controlled access to and from the LNWR are the red circle ones actually belonging to Buxton East as there is a set in that diagram that match them and are included here as both boxes controls one of the boards?

[beast66606]

I think

 

17 reads to the up

18 to the down main.

 

I suspect there's a limit of shunt missing on the down main.

 

As Richard says the other signals you've highlighted are slotted by Buxton East

 

Be wary of Swift diagrams, they are not always accurate.

 

 

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/erm-buxton-motor-train.jpg

[imt]

Please refer to the signal diagram below

 

Signals 01.jpg

 

 

The diagram was taken from J Swift Collection BR Layout Plans of the 1950s published by the Signalling Record Society and will be removed if it infringes copyright.

 

Thanks to you signal specialists in advance of your input.

 

Copyright is raised many times in these pages.  Try this for a simple statement https://www.gov.uk/using-somebody-elses-intellectual-property/copyright especially the last part on "Permitted Use".

 

I doubt whether you meet any of the criteria - since you have "published" the item in a public place not just taken a copy for your private use (say using a library photocopier when doing research).  However what you are doing is probably "research" in its widest sense and certainly for the purposes of education (yourself and others) again in the broadest sense.  Even had you bought a book withg the diagram in it (or the SRS CD) you would still have been in the same position - you didn't buy the copyright - so you should not copy it. It's all about protecting the intellectual effort of the man who drew the diagram, wrote the book, painted the picture.  I'll not bother you with performance rights!

 

I doubt whether anyone would chase you in these circumstances but they could do so.

[Sir TophamHatt]

I seriously don't understand why people bother with this sort of stuff.

 

Yes, the odd person may have been caught out in the past by someone who took offence but those examples are far and few between.

I mean, how many times have you lent someone a video/DVD/Bluray, or how many youth groups put them on a big screen to watch?  How many times have you copied something out of a book, or shared a photo of a piece of art?

 

People on a model railway forum are hardly going to be taken to court after sharing an image.

 

It's like those people who share an image of a random train, btu watermark it with a huge C, date and their name.  I mean, it's an image.  Of a train.  Nobody is going to use it and get any profit from using it.

 

Once on the internet, you somewhat forfit most copyright rules.