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#26 LSWR

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:03

This is how the train really looked at the start of its US tour:

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I took all these pictures at Boston (Massachusetts) South Station in October 1969 on the first day of the train's public exhibition before the tour started.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 18:45

What an extremely useful and interesting set of photographs, LSWR, thank you. Did you get the chance to go inside? I must say I think the idea of closed curtains in an observation car is a contradiction. ;)

I'd be fascinated to know what the 'new' layout inside the observation car consisted of. I understand it was gutted and rebuilt as an English pub, including the wooden bar which is still present.

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 07:41

I did not go into the Observation Car while it was in Boston; it was not open to the general public traipsing through the Exhibition cars. However, I did track it down twenty years later when it was "stuffed and mounted' attached to an office building in San Francisco.

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The car (and building) had been used both for offices and as a restaurant at one time. I went inside it then and there was a bar on the right hand side (looking out of the back windows) at the front end of the car (behind me when I took the next picture). At that time it was being used a a break room for the offices.

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 23:38

Great stuff, LSWR, more interesting photographs. I hadn't realised that the car's languishing site in San Fransisco was so near the shore. The last shot I find most poignant, remembering being in that very space amongst fellow travellers as the train wound its way along the shores of Loch Carron in 1967 :)

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 05:57

Im waiting for my box to arrive Down Under..

Is it possible the less detailed underframe of the second tender could be replace with an underframe from one of the newer A3 tenders?

It seems a shame to settle for a big coupling as well.

And does anyone know of a headlight I can add on? B)

#31 Roddy Angus

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 18:58

It is relatively simple to put the new tender chassis under the water tender body. If I remember correctly you have to file a small piece of the chassis but the water tender body can then be glued straight onto the new chassis. You will of course have to find a way of attaching the new chassis water tender to the coal tender but that is not too difficult.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 22:54

This is how the train really looked at the start of its US tour:

FS 5.jpg

FS 14.jpg

FS 25.jpg

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I took all these pictures at Boston (Massachusetts) South Station in October 1969 on the first day of the train's public exhibition before the tour started.


Only picked up on this thread yesterday. Fantastic pics. I enjoy viewing any pics of 4472 and train in USA.

As MikeParkin65 has said, the loco didn't run in the UK with the Cowcatcher or Buckeye coupler but it did have the Bell and Chime Whistle in place.

Interestingly, modifications were made to some of fittings as the train toured round USA. By the time it reached Fishermans Wharf the cowcatcher had been painted black below buffer beam height and release linkages / levers had been fitted for releasing the buckeye. The chime whistle changed at some stage too.

Hornby have been very careful to state that the pack they have produced shows the loco and Observation Car as they were before the trip to USA and they seem to have pretty much achieved that. I'm pleased with my purchase.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 07:50

Just arrived today. Great looking loco and nice observation car too.

The tender has better detail than I though actually its pretty good- the only bummer being the big tension lock on the back. It'd be cool to be able to change it over for an NEM coupler to fit kadees or narrrow tension lock.

Pity there's no headlight included with the added detail.

This'll be awesome with my Australian Scotsman on our Club layout B)


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Posted 08 March 2011 - 18:44



Pity there's no headlight included with the added detail.




Oh, good, Klink, I'm glad you picked up on that. I've been pulling my hair out trying to find something suitable. It is MOST necessary. Over to you, Mr Hornby, please? :)

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:51

Oh, good, Klink, I'm glad you picked up on that. I've been pulling my hair out trying to find something suitable. It is MOST necessary. Over to you, Mr Hornby, please? :)


This is where you start looking.

The Walthers catalog.

#36 kiltedsignaller

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 22:20

This is where you start looking.

The Walthers catalog.



Thank you, Kind Sir. But of COURSE!!

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:51

I've been tinkering with details of the observation car:

Buffers removed, buckeye added and the incongruous white cutrains included. Certainly looks better considering a buckeye is displayed on the loco tooP1010061 - Copy.JPG .

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 00:49

Had my pre-order in for a while and was very excited to receive it after seeing the early photos on this thread, and when I received mine I was very happy -both the loco and observation car looked stunning.

But then a few days later while looking at the loco again, I noticed a small but noticeable snap in on of the pipes which run up the left hand side of the loco (apologies if this is not the correct terminology!)

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I was sure I had not handled it in a rough manner that might cause this and the way the pipe pushed outward from the point where it snapped suggested that it's under pressure when intact, so I sent an email to the shop I ordered from. They kindly sent me a replacement which arrived this morning.

However upon opening the box I was again frustrated. The same problem in the same place!

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Now I feel I should email Hornby about this as the model shop has done all they could, but I just wanted to test the water to see if anyone else has had the same problem.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 05:30

Had my pre-order in for a while and was very excited to receive it after seeing the early photos on this thread, and when I received mine I was very happy -both the loco and observation car looked stunning.

But then a few days later while looking at the loco again, I noticed a small but noticeable snap in on of the pipes which run up the left hand side of the loco (apologies if this is not the correct terminology!)

FS_Scaled_1.jpg


I was sure I had not handled it in a rough manner that might cause this and the way the pipe pushed outward from the point where it snapped suggested that it's under pressure when intact, so I sent an email to the shop I ordered from. They kindly sent me a replacement which arrived this morning.

However upon opening the box I was again frustrated. The same problem in the same place!

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Now I feel I should email Hornby about this as the model shop has done all they could, but I just wanted to test the water to see if anyone else has had the same problem.


My NRM Scotsman had the same fault. I glued it back myself, since my local model shop is 2 hours away. So its not just you having bad luck.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 14:25

Just like to say this is a great set, at a great price, mangaged to get one for £122.50 at my local model shop. Just wondering though, what other coaches went with the scotsman? There seems to be other pullman coaches in the photos at the top of the page.
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#41 Butler Henderson

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 19:43

Nine coaches were shipped to the US - two with 4472, the rest via an earlier sailing. Five were windowless carrying trade exhibits and souvenirs while the sixth coach as for admin staff. The other Pullmans were Isle of Thanet and Lydia.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 23:01

Couple of observations for anyone wanting to carry out a UK conversion.

Based on my analysis of the Hornby Gresley A3s (not this one in particular), the front part of the buffer beam is a seperate moulding, almost laminate thickness, stuck on to the main structure behind.
This allows for variations in buffer beam (vac break, air brake, AWS plate etc etc). Therefore if anyone has a scrap A3 body you MIGHT be able to rescue the buffer beam front (although it is thin). Failing that, out comes the knife and cut off the cow catcher.

Now question - has anyone played with the running plate - namely the plate under the cab slopes upwards, and the main running plate slopes downwards. Analysis suggests that the rear part of the boiler is not straight, and the cab is mounted higher to compensate. At least 50% of all Hornby A3s I can see on the internet (hattons etc) have this problem. Dismantling will not be a simple process (unlike Bachmann), and I wondered if anyone has had a play

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 19:25

Nine coaches were shipped to the US - two with 4472, the rest via an earlier sailing. Five were windowless carrying trade exhibits and souvenirs while the sixth coach as for admin staff. The other Pullmans were Isle of Thanet and Lydia.


Thanks, was curious, and wasn't sure if more pullmans/coaches were shipped.. Thanks for your help.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 15:27

If anyone is interested I came across a good site which includes some nice shots of the train in action in the USA:
HAWKINSRAILS.NET/STEAM
Click on Steam-o-rama.

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 05:13

The rest of the train (at Boston's South Station in 1969) from the front:

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I missed a couple of the ex-LNER baggage cars.

At the same time this bus was on the station forecourt
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and it attracted some IRA sympathizers
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while at the station throat an ex New Haven RDC leaves
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and a really beat up ex New York Central E9 arrives. This was about a year after the formation of the Penn Central which was still running equipment in its constituents' colours.
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#46 tetsudofan

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 12:25

Great pictures, LSWR, was looking for pictures of the rest of the train. Many thanks,

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 12:56

Wouldn't it be nice of Hornby to present Sir Alan Pegler with one of these? Just a thought...


Not a "Sir" as yet - something which I'm sure many will agree is a grave over-sight. He did however receive an OBE in 2006.

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Posted 16 May 2011 - 06:26

Great Pictures :D
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Posted 16 May 2011 - 15:18

Really like the look of this, Might try and sell my 1994 twin tender model and buy this instead, hmm

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Posted 16 May 2011 - 15:45

Not a "Sir" as yet - something which I'm sure many will agree is a grave over-sight. He did however receive an OBE in 2006.

Bruce


Sorry Bruce, perhaps I was pre-empting there a tad! :lol:







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