'CHARD Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Needled by my hunger to replicate signature 64B BRCW Waverley Route traction, I've embarked down the path of no return, retro-packing Heljan's finest to represent machines in '68 condition. The modifications needed are really fodder for another thread (tanks, buffers, secondary suspension, door droplights, end doors), and I'm happy to park them in the model sense. Obviously, as the real life 26s were going through transition, they were also subject to works modifications of their own, principally the fitting of air brake equipment, very visibly, to D5300-5306, (apologies for inaccuracies, working from memory and no bible to hand), plus sealing-up of end doors. The other tweaking seems to have happened later, in the seventies proper. Here is my first, incomplete stab at the colours worn by 26/0 at the turn of the decade, with known mods where evident: I've located two-thirds of the first 21 machines simply using the search facility on RailScot (D5320 is of interest because of its oval buffers). Date is of photo evidence. eBFYE is 'early' blue, relating to the presence of double arrows on all four cab sides. 'W' is known to have worked the Waverley Route in this condition. D5300 still in GSYP but with air-brakes 13/10/70 5301 GSYP 8/71 (Muttley photo), air braked '66 (per 6LDA site) 5302 BFYE and air brakes 6/1/69 D5303 eBFYE no air brakes 13/10/70 (6LDA claims air-braked '66, I beg to differ) 5304 BFYE no air brakes 13/10/70 (6LDA claims AB '66, also that it wore eBFYE) D5305 BFYE Heriot 10/67 per Waverley images thread D5306 GSYP and air brakes 13/10/70 D5307 eBFYE 1/4/70 W 5308 BFYE 4/69 W D5309 BFYE 7/69 D5311 eBFYE 3/1/69 W D5312 BFYE 7/12/68 W D5313 BFYE /73 D5315 BFYE 21/12/68 W D5317 GSYP internet auction photo Haddington 4/67 D5318 GSYP 28/8/71 here: http://www.railwayherald.org/imaging.centre/showimage.php?image=162475&type=21&gallery=X8&cbcsection=diesel|@type=21 D5319 eBFYE according to 6LDA D5320 eBFYE /70 (not a 26/0, but fitted with oval buffers - uniquely for tablet-catcher /1 machine) Someone's bound to have dates for these; what my holy grail is, and it's probably not mine alone, is to establish what GSYP machines 64B had in '68. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 And lo! a resource bespoke to my needs happens along: http://6lda.wordpres...ory/26001d5301/ Will suitably credit this great site with its contribution, as I distil gen from it. On first glance the earlies [5300-06/8] were getting their air brake kit as early as '66, meaning I can reduce their Waverley presence accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 From pics in my collection, I can add; D5301 GSYP - 8/71 D5304 eBFYE - undated 5305 eBFYE - 9/72 D5310 BFYE - 8/71 D5314 BFYE - 7/70 5316 BFYE - 8/71 5318 BFYE - 8/71 - looks quite ex-Works in the pic. No pics of (D)5317, I'm afraid. Can't help with whether any of them are DB or not - don't know what to look for............... Rgds, Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 Okay hound, here's what to look for: On vac only machines there are two pretty solid blocks amidships - being battery boxes/ fuel tank and boiler water tank. Post dual-braking, the water tank disappears, replaced by an underslung frame (a raft I suppose we'd call it now) containing the air reservoirs etc, which is noticeable in photos by virtue of looking like a dark void, rather than a shiny and slab-sided block. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Right - I think I've got it. Based on that, the shots I have are; D5301 GSYP DB, D5304 eBFYE DB, 5305 eBFYE DB, D5310 BFYE VO, D5314 BFYE VO, 5316 BFYE VO, 5318 BFYE VO, Rgds, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 D5303 was air braked whilst in GSYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 D5303 eBFYE no air brakes 13/10/70 (6LDA claims air-braked '66, I beg to differ)5304 BFYE no air brakes 13/10/70 (6LDA claims AB '66, also that it wore eBFYE) Chard, everything I've ever come across suggests that those early DB machines were done as a batch - so unless the numbers are clearly visible in the pics, I'd strongly suspect caption errors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Lots of 'Chard's favourite ingredients here: an express routed via the Glenfarg main line, transition in Scotland, a pair of cooking BRCWs (bowler tip to Jamie), general dreich atmosphere AND is this a GFYE 26 I see before me? As Glenfarg is still open, this makes an early GFYE sighting of what is presumably D5335, by my estimation. http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=32132 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 Anyone with a magnifying glass able to i.d this beast? I'm hoping it's not D5319. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=23307 And this cutie has retained her nose doors in BFYE: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=23085, which one is she, I wonder? A: 5308 is my realistic assessment, here: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=22717 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Anyone with a magnifying glass able to i.d this beast? I'm hoping it's not D5319. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=23307 No way is it '19, that was the unique 26/0 modified with tablet catcher. Which might of course be equally inconvenient... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 And this cutie has retained her nose doors in BFYE: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=23085, which one is she, I wonder? This ones also 5308. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 No way is it '19, that was the unique 26/0 modified with tablet catcher. Which might of course be equally inconvenient... No, I don't need any more uniqueness in my BRCW fleet, I've already got webbed-handed throwback 5320 with its oval buffers thank you very much. When I typed 5319 I was obviously meaning 5318 that stayed green until '71. Still trying to find a '68 GSYP /0 partner for her though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 My money's on D5316 as modelled here! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Shameless bounce time for this thread as we attempt 'the big one.' To fill the /0 gaps, and add in the /1s. What was the livery status of these as the decade drew to a close? 60A seems pretty handy with the paintbrush, to wit the only GFYE honours were conferred on unique D5335. We hear that D5319 was tablet catcher fitted* (making her a tempting carve-up of the Heljan standard product), but when did she go into blue, early on assuming she wore eBFYE? 64B appeared to tackle the non-slow speed machines with alacrity too, so BFYE held sway in the Lothians as '69 dawned. I know the gen is out there, but with 26s being pretty prolific in people's collections, it's taking some corralling. I've yet to trawl the usual photo resources, so anyone with observations circa '68 is more than welcome to get on terms with this thread. * anyone got links to photo evidence of 5319 with tablet-catcher recess? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Here's D5319 in 1963. Not a brilliant pic, but I see no sign of a recess for the tablet catcher. Not altogether sure what the device is, below the left-hand light, though. Maybe someone with better eyes than mine................ Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 D5319 was unique in that it later received the tablet catcher recess, the drivers side windows were sliding whilst the second mans side kept it drop down windows. D5319 was gsy in the summer of 69, with recess and carrying tablet catchers. But by the following summer it was as 5319 and in early bfy with recess and connecting doors still intact, so somewhere between these times it got repainted and It still was in the same condition in 72. But it then got a full repaint with wrap round yellow, cab door windows plated and connecting doors sealed flush as 5319. Three variations in about 4 years! Ron, I thinks it a tail lamp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 ................And, here she is with the recess in August 1970. Trevor - this is the time when you suggested it was in eBFYE, (GSYP in Summer 1969, eBFYE by the following summer (1970)). The paintwork looks a tad shabby for it to be a recent repaint from eBFYE, which it would have only had for less than a year. Can we discount eBFYE, or is there evidence to support this? The pic; http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0720022648000 Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 There is a photo, which I think is in at least two publications, of D5319 at Lairg (?) with a TPO behind it, GSY and with the recess, so it was obviously converted post-1963 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 ................And, here she is with the recess in August 1970. Trevor - this is the time when you suggested it was in eBFYE, (GSYP in Summer 1969, eBFYE by the following summer (1970)). The paintwork looks a tad shabby for it to be a recent repaint from eBFYE, which it would have only had for less than a year. Can we discount eBFYE, or is there evidence to support this? The pic; http://www.railphoto...g=0720022648000 Cheers, Ron. Orientation of '5319' suggests to me that's her first blue guise; no 'D' whatsoever. And now I have no choice. See you tomorrow, Hattons.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi Ron, Yes i think all these abbreviations are getting us confused, I blame Chard for all this . Basically early bfy to me meant anything pre wrap around yellow, I should of written it better as eBFYE (arrows on cabs and numbers on bodyside), so should it be lBFYE ? (numbers on cabs and arrow on centre of body with yellow front). So just to confirm what I meant: D5319 GSY with tablet recess and catcher 5319 BFY arrows in centre of body with number under second mans window, with tablet recess and connecting doors. 5319 BFY yellow wrapped round windows, arrows in centre of body and number under second mans window, connecting doors sealed. Hope that makes sense For a bit of fun and to add to the confusion who wants to come up with the abbreviations for liveries carried by the class, you had: 1 - All over green with white windows and stripe. 2 - Green with small yellow panel, white windows and stripe. 3 - Green with full yellow front, white cabside windows and stripe. 4 - Green with full yellow front, green cabside windows and no stripe (economy green). 5 - Blue with yellow front, numbers on bodyside and arrows on all four cab corners. 6 - Blue with yellow front, numbers on bodyside and arrows on two cab corners. 7 - Blue with yellow front, numbers on all four cab corners and arrow on centre of body. 8 - Blue with yellow front, numbers on two cab corners and arrow on centre of body. 9 - Blue with yellow front, numbers on two cab corners and arrow on all four cab doors. 10 - Blue with wrap around yellow front, numbers on bodyside and arrows on two cab corners. 11 - Blue with wrap around yellow front, numbers on all four cab corners and arrow on centre of body. 12 - Blue with wrap around yellow front, numbers on two cab corners and arrow on centre of body. 13 - TOPS Blue with yellow front. 14 - TOPS Blue with wrap around yellow front. Don't think I missed any Trevor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 ................And, here she is with the recess in August 1970. The pic; http://www.railphoto...g=0720022648000 Cheers, Ron. I have always wondered about the date on this photo, although possible it certainly got into a very shabby condition in a very short period of time. I have another shot of it, although at Haymarket, dated 72 and it is probably in about the same condition, anyone got any thoughts on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Don't think I missed any Wee - eelll.... there's a shot on my hard drive of 26027 with wrapround yellow, bodyside number and arrow on RH cab (as 5327, it had formerly been your variation (10), as seen here: http://www.flickr.co...157627812212373 and then, wasnt there at least one 26/0 that got TOPSed whilst in early blue with cabside arrows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 There is a photo, which I think is in at least two publications, of D5319 at Lairg (?) with a TPO behind it, GSY and with the recess, so it was obviously converted post-1963 Thanks Ian, I think there was some Jim Binnie shots of it as well, but they were fotopic days. Orientation of '5319' suggests to me that's her first blue guise; no 'D' whatsoever. And now I have no choice. See you tomorrow, Hattons.... Certainly be something a bit different, can't imagine Heljan doing it some how. B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Wee - eelll.... there's a shot on my hard drive of 26027 with wrapround yellow, bodyside number and arrow on RH cab (as 5327, it had formerly been your variation (10), as seen here: http://www.flickr.co...157627812212373 and then, wasnt there at least one 26/0 that got TOPSed whilst in early blue with cabside arrows? I never understood the patch painting of 5327 and yes it was 26006 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/SearchResults.aspx?val=26006 http://www.flickr.com/photos/52g_sunderland/6022692003/in/photostream If only I modelled the TOPS period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 'twas 26011 in eBFYE. 26006 was TOPS in the "other" early blue with original cab doors and no yellow cab window surrounds. R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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