Tim Hale Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 A chance remark during a recent discussion - did all the steam locomotives at Dai Woodham's yard survive? If so, how many? Thanks for your help Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 No, there were some casualties. I don't have the numbers off-hand, but over 200 were eventually rescued. Some are yet to be restored, and a few were broken up for spares by their purchasers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn-on-the-platform Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 It is said that he would occasionally threaten to cut something up if the enthusiasts were slow coming forward. A simple google search produced some good results. This website has a lot on Barry, including a list of the scrapped locos http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/barrycut.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Get a copy of "The Barry List" it's only a few quid, and lists all the locos that passed through Woodham Bros. hands, and the ultimate fate of each loco and if preserved, the date it left the yard, current location, condition etc. . In one interview Dai Woodham explained that the locos were neglected because there were so many redundant wagons on offer, and they could be disposed of much quicker than locos, and the scrap value of steel from a wagon was the same as that from a steam engine (once the non-ferrous goodies had been removed - or stolen !). . Folk often forget the locos that were cut in the early years like the outside cylinder six coupled tanks eg 1366 and also a batch of ex-WD Hunslet 18" Austerities. Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trevellan Posted September 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2011 The biggest tragedy of Barry was not only that most of the superb 94xx panniers sold to Woodhams didn't survive, but also the loss of the class 29 and original NBL Warship that languished there for so long. Mind you, when I visited Barry in the early 1970s most enthusiasts were disparaging about the diesels. Indeed, one individual who was slapping red oxide on a steam loco gleefully informed me and my companions that they used the two diesels as a toilet. Charming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This website has a lot on Barry, including a list of the scrapped locos http://www.greatwest...uk/barrycut.htm The biggest regret of that lot was 3170. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Does Woodham's still exist or has the company passed into oblivion? Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Thanks to all who replied and best wishes Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukedog Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 When Barry scrapyard was finally cleared in 1990 the last 10 locos in terrible condition were stored firstly in Cardiff and then later in Barry depot. Now they are gradually being sold off for various restoration projects mainly for parts. Some pictures here Cheers! Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2011 Considering the amount of money Dai Woodham helped to create in the country, must be into the billions by now, how come he didn't get a knighthood or suchlike? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 ... but also the loss of the class 29 and original NBL Warship that languished there for so long. Being pedantic, it was a class 21 (D6122) and there were two Warships, D600/01, the former being cut first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Considering the amount of money Dai Woodham helped to create in the country, must be into the billions by now, how come he didn't get a knighthood or suchlike? He did get an MBE. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trevellan Posted September 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2011 Being pedantic, it was a class 21 (D6122) and there were two Warships, D600/01, the former being cut first. Thanks Ian. I didn't note any numbers at the time as I too was more interested in the steam locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 From recollection, a couple of 9F locos as well as another few standards were scrapped. Apparently Mr. Woodham has always said that he wouldnt have his workforce standing idle, and would only hold off on scrapping steam locos while there were wagons to scrap. When the supply of wagons was not sufficient, the 9Fs were broken up. Nonetheless, we should all be extremely grateful that he did have such a relaxed attiude towards selling the things to preservation societies. He preserved an awful lot of history, and the railway preservation movement would not be half as strong as it now is without his contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2011 He did get an MBE. Ed Thanks, missed that. Not much though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted September 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2011 Looking back, the thing that is amzing by today's standards is the total absence of security or Health and Safety - there was no fencing or gates; anyone could wander in. Mind you, I only ever visited on Sundays - was access still unrestricted on working days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukedog Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Looking back, the thing that is amzing by today's standards is the total absence of security or Health and Safety - there was no fencing or gates; anyone could wander in. Mind you, I only ever visited on Sundays - was access still unrestricted on working days? The last time I visited the yard was in June 1978! and as far as I can recollect it was a weekday and we just walked around unchallenged with notebooks and cameras. As you say I don't think anything like that would be allowed to happen now. Cheers! Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Green Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Three photos taken at Barry scrapyard in 1967. I did have other photos but these are the only ones I can find for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I visited Barry religiously about three times a year from 1964 until 1985, after which there was very little to see. Here are some photos dating from the late sixties of Barry and other South Wales Scrapyards. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/sets/72157625776010012/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Here are a couple from me: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Perhaps useful that a few of us did take some notice of the wagons and ignored the rotting hulks - although a 72xx cab was very useful to keep dry when sending young Trevor Mann out to measure one of the last coke hoppers Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Perhaps useful that a few of us did take some notice of the wagons and ignored the rotting hulks Too true Paul, and for that please accept my thanks. As is apparent, I too was devoting more attention to the hulks. Brian R PS Notice the 'scar' left by the missing NBL builder's plate on D6122, I wonder where that is now (tee hee !). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Here are a couple from me: Did you get more of the lettering on the LNER Diag 207 double door loco coal alongside? Although these have cupboard doors I have never seen one apparently branded as to not to be used for engineering Permanent way work (if that is what it is saying). This would be logical as the cupboard door "so called" SNCF minerals were branded in a similar way to that affect. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Paul, I will look out the negative over the weekend, its in the loft! I dont think that there is much more on it, but we will see. And yes all i was focusing on that day was the kettles - tho I did get round to shooting a western and green 37 at Cardiff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Nonetheless, we should all be extremely grateful that he did have such a relaxed attiude towards selling the things to preservation societies. He preserved an awful lot of history, and the railway preservation movement would not be half as strong as it now is without his contribution. Some of his model collection used to be on display at Barry Island before the council decided to kick everything out. I'm not entirely sure his scrapping policy was *entirely* business oriented. But yes he made a huge difference as a look at the state of preserved steam in many other countries shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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