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More problems with that platform


The Fatadder

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Well, I've tried playing with templot, and sadly havent had much success with the platform modifications.

 

Thanks to some information on DEMU and some diagrams from the Scalefour Society I was able to confirm how wide the platform should be. Unfortunately after completing both of my planned modifications (shifting the point back and increasing the curve on the platform track) I still have not been able to get the width of the platform to comply with even the minimum standards (let alone those for a high speed line.)

 

Now I think I am right in saying that a secondary mainline located west of Bristol would be 100mph max speed not 125, so I guess that does mean that I can just about avoid the 100mph + requirements (this is thinking in terms of the layouts expansion rather than how it will be initially). This does help me slightly as it does allow a narrower platform (all be it not as narrow as mine would have to be.)

 

At the moment the platform is approximately 80mm (20ft) wide (edge to edge) at the left hand end, and approximately 100mm (25ft) at the buffer stop. This is further compounded by the extra width that is required if you want to have any platform seats (let alone having the bus stop type shelter that was planned). This has the unfortunatly affect of not only the platform being rather suspect in its accuracy should the build go ahead, but also means that actual modelling involved becomes rather dull, as there is no opportunity to add any canopies, buildings or any other detailing to the platform tops...

 

There are options to enable more width, none of which are really much use. The point accessing the branch platform could be moved back further increasing the distance between it and the mainline, however given its close proximity to the baseboard joint, the only way to do this would be to move it off scene, build another baseboard or to shift the whole layout along by another 12inches or so (loosing 12 inches of platform). Moving it off scene looses too much operation/building interest, building another baseboard means I may as well start again with a new plan thats designed from the outset to use that space, and having already chopped out 100mm of platform the station will start looking silly if I remove any more (particularly chopping out another 300mm!) The only other option is to use a tighter radius point (thus getting the curve finished sooner), Given that I am already using a BV8 I really dont want to go much tighter (particularly as given a BV7 wouldnt make enough of a difference it would require using a 6 which is just too tight (and looks a bit rubbish tbh).

 

So where does that leave the layout...

 

The first step is going to be research! I am going to have a hunt for a similar prototype station which has a mainline on one side of the platform and a branch on the other, with a narrow platform. If I can find a suitable prototype to use as precedence for the design then all is good and I can stop worrying about it!

 

If not, back to the drawing board I guess....

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  • RMweb Gold

Can I suggest that you make a small scale mock up? I do this quite a lot as I find it helps with getting the 'big picture' clear prior to cutting any board or track preperations. You could print out your track plan and use brown corrugated card - its relatively quick and easy to make modifications.

 

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If you can compress the length of the platform (I guess by 30% or more) why can't you accept the compression of say 10% of the width?

Sorry if that reads a rather "sharp", it's really meant as a suggestion, and probably something you've already considered and rejected?.

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I'm not convinced that the current standards for 100mph running are appropriate here. The LSWR would have been unlikely to expect more than 60 mph - even in the 1960s line limit at this location would have been not much more than 70mph. Grandfather rights would apply....

 

There are quite large sections of the network that are secondary main line and have line limits of well under 100mph - eg the Joint Line in Lincolnshire (60mph - but a traditional ECML diversionary route) , Doncaster/Scunthorpe/Grimsby (90 mph to Thorne and then 60-70mph, the Settle & Carlisle etc etc.

 

I would be interested to know the line limits on the Transpennine routes - I'd be surprised if either the Hope Valley or the Standedge/Diggle route are cleared for more than 90mph, if that , and I've a strong suspicion the Calder Valley may be in the 60-75mph range. Both the Woodhead and Waverley Routes were subject to 60-70mph line limits because of curvature

 

Given that you're talking about a line on the edge of Dartmoor, these are probably good parallels for second string main lines through that sort of terrain

 

 

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  • RMweb Gold
If you can compress the length of the platform (I guess by 30% or more) why can't you accept the compression of say 10% of the width?

Sorry if that reads a rather "sharp", it's really meant as a suggestion, and probably something you've already considered and rejected?.

 

With the reduction in length of the platforms, its more a case of moving an extra 100mm or so off scene than cutting it out of the plan, the issue with the width is more a case of confirming to 'real' standards. A key criteria in my design is that while the layout will be a fictional location, it must still be accurately modelled to the prototype.

 

This said, I have now been looking back at the prototype that has inspired the trackplan, which does have very narrow platforms. According to my caculations based upon the plans/maps I have available it actually looks like my platforms are actually slightly wider than those on the prototype inspiration (20ft rather than 14ft) however that said the prototype branch platform has been closed for a long time.

 

The materiel Ravenser posted (along with some more information that was PMed) has further convinced me through showing many similar prototypes with equally narrow platforms that all is ok.

 

As for making mockups, it is something that I have tried in the past, but I just find that I get on a lot better doing these things electronics. The Templot file for the trackplan has been directly imported into Autocad allowing buildings to be placed on and moved around etc. The problem comes when the small scale print outs are then expanded to full size (when things suddenly start to look a bit tighter than they are!)

 

Still, all seems to be going well now, really must get on with starting to build platforms....

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