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I recently took delivery of one of those cute little six wheeled vans originally from Ian Allan Publishing. I thought that an elderly Mainline ex LMS 2P would make a suitable train engine.

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Ex LMS 4-4-0 in Dumfries Station in the early 1960s

I bought my Mainline 2P back in 1984 from C&G models in Darlington.

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Mainline 2P from 1984 – it has a lovely faded appearance!

My model was supposed new but never ran properly and has spent most of its 40 year life either in a box or resting peacefully in a siding up against the buffers (stored).

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Spot the 2P – engines waiting for their last journey at Dumfries early 1960s

Although ‘branded’ as ‘Mainline’ my model is very obviously of Airfix origins. The mechanics of the tender drive are identical to the unit fitted to the Airfix 4F. The tender body is lined as opposed to plain black but lacks the wire handrails that appeared later when the tender drive 4F was reintroduced by Hornby. I had considered replacing my model with the latest Hornby engine driven version. That was until I discovered that the latest model still has rubber traction tyres – now on the engine driving wheels rather than the tender! So still I think a wobbly engine?

The problem with my Mainline 2P was that whilst the engine sailed along at ‘60mph’ the driving wheels were only rotating at say 20mph. I removed the spring from the front bogie to see if this would transfer more weight to driving wheels and encourage them to better rotate. There was no noticeable improvement. Rotating the wheels by hand indicated a tight spot symptomatic of the perennial problem with ready to run models where the wheels are not properly quartered.

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Driving wheels ready to be lifted clear

The LMS 2P has inside cylinders so there is no valve gear to bother about. After unscrewing the bottom keeper plate the driving wheels can be lifted straight out. The wheels on the Mainline model have 20 spokes which means that the cranks on one side should be offset by five spokes on the other side. On my model one wheel set had cranks offset nicely at 90 degrees. The other wheel set could be seen to be not quite 90 degrees. Because of its Airfix origins the plastic driving wheels are a push fit onto a shouldered knurled axle. To change the relative position of the two wheels it is necessary to pull one of the wheels completely off the axle. Only with the wheel clear of the knurled end of the axle can it be rotated before being pushed back and hopefully better orientated. I did this without removing the coupling rods.

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I must have been lucky because after reassembly there was a noticeable improvement. I have put together a wee video comparing the running before and after re-quartering.

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Engine to tender coupling shortened for Peco Medium Radius Points

What else have I done to the engine? Well I have painted the wheel rims black, shortened the engine to tender coupling and fitted a Bachmann mini coupling to the tender. I am still thinking about the front bogie coupling – the Mainline coupling is held in place with a brass rivet.

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Mainline 2P left Bachmann Compound right

How does the 40 year old Mainline 2P compare with more modern models?

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Bachmann Compound left Mainline 2P right

I think the 2P body shell is quite well detailed with nice lining and works plate. It does lack lamp irons and sprung buffers – all of which can be updated relatively easily.

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Mainline tender front Bachmann tender rear

A comparison of the Mainline and Bachmann tenders highlights the age of the former model. As said earlier it is the original moulding for the Airfix 4F from around 1975. However I think the lining is still reasonable and I like the overall bleached look of the black plastic which reminds me of the tired paintwork of the prototypes at the end of their working life in the 1960s.

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Bachmann Compound showing front bogie spring

How does the performance of the models compare. Well before any comparison is attempted it is worth removing the front bogie spring from the Bachmann compound. The bogie is held on with a single screw into the metal chassis block. Removing the spring makes a big difference to haulage capacity on the gradients on my layout.

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I have loaded another short video to YouTube showing both the Mainline 2P and the Bachmann Compound in action. I would say the tender drive on the 2P still has the edge over the engine drive of the compound. Not bad for a 40 year old model. Why did it take me so long to sort out the quartering?

 

Addendum 18.08.15

 

I came across these pictures of the railways in Dumfries and Galloway which include a number of views of the local ex LMS '2Ps'.

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Very interesting videos and a good illustration of the importance of quartering!  I feel that it is a pity that tender-drive has acquired such a bad reputation in UK; it is a very convenient method for the scratch-builder.

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Agreed Mike, thanks for the input.

.... it is a pity that tender-drive has acquired such a bad reputation........

Plenty of room for weight and with a bit of modern engineering you could have 'see through' spoked tender wheels.  City of Truro, the Dukedog and the Midland Compound - all engine driven 4-4-0s that struggle to pull a realistic load up a gradient.  I have no experience of the Hornby Schools or T9 but I suspect from snippets that I have read that they depend on their traction tyres which have both good and bad points.

 

Regards

 

Ray

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 Mainline and Airfix tender drives were or rather are a 'Marmite' mech.!

    My Mainline 2P is my second. The first expired 2hours after I got it home from Cheltenham models in 1984. I then drove back to the shop and they immediately replaced it. I might add that the deep sigh that accompanied the replacement led me to believe that mine was not the first one replaced!!

   Number two has performed adequately since.

  I run two Airfix 4Fs, still with the tender drive units. I have fettled the locos to prevent wheel lock and they run very well. The same goes for my Airfix Castle.

   I am a firm believer in the 'If it ain't broke, don't b****r with it!' philosophy.

   Great to see you using a piece of 'historical' equipment .

       Best Wishes.

                     Chris.

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Thank Chris for those kind words

 

I too was a regular visitor to the Cheltenham Model shop in the period 1983 to 1984 and managed to buy a whole raft of Mainline engines - most of which have now departed to be replaced by Bachmann variants.  Amethyst and Class 02 live on!

 My Mainline 2P is my second. The first expired 2hours after I got it home from Cheltenham models in 1984. I then drove back to the shop and they immediately replaced it..

  I run two Airfix 4Fs, still with the tender drive units. I have fettled the locos to prevent wheel lock and they run very well. The same goes for my Airfix Castle..

Airfix Tender drives always appeared to me to be 'the luck of the draw'.  A couple of years back I spent a bit of time swapping various secondhand parts to fettle three Castles - one of which survives. I discovered recently that the other two must have been bought by some sort of dealer in Pembrokeshire and that he was still trying to sell them for twice what he paid me

 

Regards  Ray

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Another fascinating piece Ray - as your photos show didn't they do well back in the last century!

 

The dismissal of tender drives in Britain has always been a bit of a shame to me, as the Fleischmann company in Germany makes widespread use of them and is held in extremely high regard. I guess the answer is that many of ours weren't too good, and the poorer quality of our models with binding on the unpowered driving wheels really put people off.

 

Great as well to read the other comments from those for whom "new" doesn't automatically imply "essential".

 

Regards,   John.

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Thank you John

 

I sometimes feel like a dinosauer.  Quite encouraging just how many things from the 'last centuary' are still useful - and I am looking around the house and thinking of work and engineering solutions.

 

Speak again

 

Regards  Ray

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Hi Ray, interesting to see the faded look of the 2P compared to the Bachmann Compound. Is that because of the 31 years, or did it come like that do you think?

 

I do like your extensive embankment walling!  

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Thanks Mikkel

 

I am thinking that the Mainline 'black' was unpainted plastic and has always been 'grey' - something to do with the filler?  The newer Bachmann (and Hornby) types have  a thin coating of black paint.  Mainline Amethyst is a similar vintage and also shows the same patina as the 2P.

Hi Ray, interesting to see the faded look of the 2P compared to the Bachmann Compound. Is that because of the 31 years, or did it come like that do you think?

 

I do like your extensive embankment walling!  

The visible walling in the videos is all from Metcalfe Viaducts.  The walling behind the station was from the twin track viaduct P0241.  It was the subject of an earlier Post .  The higher walling next to the engine shed was from the single track viaduct P0209 kits - four or five in total.

 

Regards

 

Ray

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