Now this is a vehicle that, at 4 mm scale, really couldn't be built in anything other than P4! The Midland (like all the larger companies) had trolleys built on the same principal but with end platforms that more-or-less hide the inner frames and bearings. Mike @airnimal mad an S7 model of one a while back.

As to the weight, could you have used strips of lead or steel for the timber, flitched in plasticard? 

I think I just about got away with the frame spacing in EM, those are gibson wheels so are pretty narrow. Essentially I adjusted the frame spacing to suit the wheelsets based on the overall width from the diagram. Would look very cramped in the middle in 00 though. 

The frames do have a bit of a slot in the bottom, I might see if I can get some weight in there. 

52 minutes ago, Dave John said:

I think I just about got away with the frame spacing in EM

Sorry, I had been under the impression you were P4. But the gist of my comment was 00, no way.

I have the basic portrait cutter. It has been used a lot. Where it really scores is the ability to cut out large numbers of repetitive parts accurately. For instance those springs are laminated from 3 cuts , thats 24 needed, so cut 30.  Same for the eight sides, cut 10.  All the parts were cut from a single sheet of 10 thou styrene with room for a few strips of 1mm for the angle iron. 

I find the silhouette software very simple to use and you can download it from them to have a play about before you buy a machine. 

Given that I paid 150 quid for it I reckon it it well worth the money. Less than a rtr loco these days. All the buildings on kelvinbank, lots of wagons , templates for brass cutting and so on. 

Lovely styrene work. Although the Silhouette does the cutting you still have to put it together neatly for a convincing look.

I've been very happy with my Portrait too, so much so that I recently splashed out on the Cameo 4. To be honest I am not yet convinced it was worth it. The Cameo 4 has a great deal more power, and in principle can cut thicker materials - but frustratingly that extra power can't really be used for the intricate work needed in 4mm scale. Still experimenting, though.

Is this one, just appearing on the left?

[Embedded link to photo in the Science Museum LM&SR Collection, caption says 1905 but I'm afraid I've learnt not to put much faith in their captions...]

37 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Is this one, just appearing on the left?

 

 

[Embedded link to photo in the Science Museum LM&SR Collection, caption says 1905 but I'm afraid I've learnt not to put much faith in their captions...]

Wow - there is a whole Steampunk aesthetic going on here! I might need to abandon my dreams of coastal Dorsetshire...

Nick.

Well found Compound, I think it is the D 34. 

If it is 1905 then it has had a repaint, the load and the Caley mysterious mark are clearly visible. Looks like it has a new buffer beam too. 

Interesting to see those trolleys together like that , since neither has a handbrake.

I wonder where it is ? May have something to do with ;

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/1901_Glasgow_International_Exhibition

Thanks Caledonian. 

For a load it will be something heavy under a sheet. 

That photo from Compound is very interesting. I think it is a publicity shot, either for the MR or Stirling Boilers. The boiler is carefully painted, as if it is off to an exhibition somewhere. So the photo either says "we can move stuff like this", or "Our boilers can be delivered by rail."  

The CR trolley is 8' 1 1/4 " wide and that boiler is sticking out by a foot, so at least 10' wide overall. Therefore it must have moved as a special over a carefully planned route at fairly low speeds with barrier wagons to provide a handbrake.  Nobody would want it arriving dirty, so I think it would be well sheeted for the journey.

2 hours ago, Dave John said:

I think it is a publicity shot, either for the MR or Stirling Boilers.

I agree it's a publicity shot. My instinct is it's for the boiler manufacturer - if the railway company photographer did it, I would expect it to be more side-on, and perhaps showing the other wagon(s) in the train, since the one to the left seems to be similarly loaded. This photo seems composed to make sure the writing on the boiler is clearly visible and readable.

2 hours ago, Dave John said:

so I think it would be well sheeted for the journey

Which is either a relief - you don't have to make the fiddly boiler with all those rivets - or a lost opportunity - to make a really interesting thing with lots of lovely rivets!

Nick.

1 minute ago, magmouse said:

if the railway company photographer did it, I would expect it to be more side-on

It is in the LMS collection, which I'm pretty sure means it was taken for the railway - illustrating an unusual load, for example.

35 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

It is in the LMS collection, which I'm pretty sure means it was taken for the railway - illustrating an unusual load, for example.

Which shows how wrong my instincts can be...

On 11/01/2023 at 18:29, Dave John said:

Well found Compound, I think it is the D 34. 

 

If it is 1905 then it has had a repaint, the load and the Caley mysterious mark are clearly visible. Looks like it has a new buffer beam too. 

 

Interesting to see those trolleys together like that , since neither has a handbrake.

 

I wonder where it is ? May have something to do with ;

 

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/1901_Glasgow_International_Exhibition

 

 

 

Stirling Engineering are shown as exhibitors.