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When is good enough good enough? Improving the Bachmann 93xx


Barry Ten

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Recent developments in the hobby have thrown several factors into relief, including the relative cost of new models versus spending power, and the general demographic of modellers as we all age. I've certainly been spending less on my UK outline in the last year or so, although it took a conversation in a model shop - talking about the relative merits and price points of the Accurascale and Bachmann Class 37s  - to finally pin-point, to me, the reason why I'm spending less, at least on engines. I've got a number of Class 37s, but other than a revamped Triang-Hornby one from the early 70s, they're all from about 2005 - 2010, when the second wave of Bachmann ones arrived, along with the short-lived but quite acceptable ViTrains ones. I've not been tempted by the newer models simply because, while I can see their obvious merits, the older ones already hit that "good enough" spot for me. Perhaps it's because my modelling tends to be big-picture, more focused on the 3-foot view of trains in the landscape, but these models don't represent enough of a step-change to get me considering a purchase, let alone a wholesale upgrade of the fleet. And taking a long, hard look at my modelling priorities over the last 30-40 years (back to when I was into trains as a teenager) I can't help but feel that "good enough", for me, more or less coincided with the arrival of the improved RTR locos from Mainline, Airfix/GMR (and even Lima) in the late 70s and early 80s. These models didn't necessarily look great out of the box, with shiny wheels, shiny motion awful loco-tender gaps and crude couplings, but they were (generally) more or less the right shape, were painted and finished well, and had a decent amount of separate detail - more than could always be said for the contemporary Hornby models of the period. Where the details weren't quite right, it was within the scope of the modeller to improve them. And the better models from Hornby were coming along as well, so things were generally on the up.

 

At the risk of undermining my thesis, I did buy an Accurascale Manor. I wasn't intending to, but when I saw one in a shop, it looked so good that I had to succumb. And, it's a lovely, smooth-running model that absolutely screams "Manor".

 

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But then again, my 20-year old Bachmann one still does it for me - it also couldn't possibly be anything other than a Manor, even though there are subtle and less-so-subtle differences in body shape between the two releases. The Accurascale one has a slightly lower, sportier look, for instance - but that's only really apparent when they're next to each other. My Bachmann one, despite being a split-chassis model, runs superbly on DCC, complete with a decent sound decoder in the tender. Other than converting the chassis to accept a decoder (not too hard with these GWR locos) the only mod I needed was to add additional pickups to the bogie. For me, again, the advantages of the Accurascale one are plain to see, but it's a delta rather than a step-change. For that reason, unless I'm tempted by a livery not represented by my Bachmann examples, I'll likely stick with just the one Accurascale example, beautiful model that it is.

 

In similar vein, I've retained my fleet of GWR moguls, not being tempted by the Dapol examples. When I saw the reviews, I could see negative deltas as well as positive ones - the unrealistic flare on the slide bars, for instance. Again, I'm sure they're basically very nice models, but they weren't quite enough to tempt me, not when I already had a couple of DCC-converted 53XX moguls to keep me happy (again, one with sound) which I knew to be reliable performers with about 20 years of running behind them.

 

I'm not sure if Dapol have done the 93XX variant, but again, my preference was to turn to an older model already in my collection. There's a minor issue with the Bachmann body, though:

 

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The front footplate profile is correct for a 53XX but wrong for a 93XX. For the latter type (with the side-window cab) the footplate drop starts further forward, and the bit behind the buffer is correspondingly shorter. In one of his books, Iain Rice describes fixing this via a cut-and-shut conversion, so I thought I'd give it a go. Here, in true Blue Peter fashion, is one I did earlier:

 

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In essence three cuts are required, using a razor-saw. Separate the entire front of the footplate, including the drop, by cutting up from below in line with the smokebox saddle. The moulding gives a nice reference for this cut. With the front part then detached, make two additional cuts to remove a section from the flat part just above the pony wheels. This bit is then used to extend the main footplate, pushing the start of the drop out by a couple of mms - more or less in line with the front of the smokebox. I let this bond harden overnight, while simultaneously glueing the buffer beam section to the now-isolated drop, producing a shorter front. Once I was satisfied that these two bits were welded, I joined them together using a crude levelling platform to keep the whole assembly from drooping while it hardened off. Some Humbrol filler and Mr Surfacer was then used to tidy up the joins a bit.

 

I had to fabricate new support rods - not sure why, as the "geometry" shouldn't have changed - but I couldn't get the old ones to fit neatly without distorting the footplate, and they were too stiff to rework. I guess it's a case of tiny variations being enough to throw things out, so it was safer to make new ones from 0.45mm brass.

 

The shortened footplate section gives the loco a much more pugnacious, purposeful look in my view.

 

There's more that can be done. The chimneys would benefit from replacing (but I don't have any suitable at the moment), while the undersized cylinders can also be improved. This is a cheat as it's a 53XX I did earlier, but grafting Comet castings and etchings onto the Bachmann ones isn't too difficult:

 

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(Sorry about that front pony!).

 

There's no soldering involved, just a bit of filing, glueing and filler. The same cylinder mod will make a big difference to the 93XXs, too. The Comet GWR 2-cylinder parts can be obtained from Wizard Models at a very reasonable price.

 

So anyway, more of a ramble about personal modelling standards and what's "good enough" than anything earth-shattering, but here we are. I must stress that if I didn't have any GWR moguls (or ones that ran well) I'd have jumped on the Dapol ones, but with a number of legacy models already in my collection, and liking the opportunity to do a bit of hands-on modelling, I'll be sticking with these for the foreseeable. Given that they're all more than 20 years old, there's every chance of them having another 20-odd years of gentle running in them ... at which point they might well see me out!

 

Happy New Year to all readers, if it isn't too late to say so.

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Some interesting thoughts - well illustrated with some nice locos too.  An enjoyable read, thank you, Keith.

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Good points, Al. I recognize the questions that you ask. As a case in point, my old Bachmann 43xx still runs very freely and with a completely silent motor. So like you I'm debating whether to keep and modify it, or splash out on the upcoming Dapol one. 


I find myself confronted with dilemmas like that in other areas of the hobby too: Should I scratch build this part, or source a hi-fi one from outside? Is this whitemetal part good enough, or should I go for a 3D printed one? Etc. Almost everything is now possible to replicate, but is that reason enough to go for it?

 

I suppose the answer is that we should go for what gives us most joy over time (rather than immediately but briefly).  That can include buying new models, either because you enjoy admiring high levels of detail, or like collecting, or want to save time, or want to modify it.

 

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A well reasoned philosophy Al. I'm pretty much in the good enough camp too; these days I'm quite happy to buy older versions of models (particularly locos) and do a bit of light tarting up. On occasion I'll buy a non runner or one with cosmetic damage and effect repairs. It's not just the Yorkshire in me coming to the fore, there's a lot of satisfaction in the process of repairing and fettling a broken cast off.

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“I don’t believe it!” - no sooner have I read and showed my appreciation for this helpful blog post last night than today I just happen to see on sale today a model I’ve been after for ages (a structure kit in my case).  Trouble is, I’ve been looking for an affordable example for so long that in the meantime I’ve already bought and built a slightly smaller substitute, plus bought another (not yet built) to fill the resulting gap in my plans.  So I can’t say I “need” the original I’ve now seen - as the others are certainly good enough.  If I only I’d not read this post yesterday…

 

(Admittedly, I am taking Barry’s point in a slightly different direction: in my case the prototype for the substitute structure kit I went for is not quite on the button, whereas the original would have been: hence I’m still using the “good enough” rule)

 

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Thanks all, glad to see I'm not alone in the "that'll do" camp!

 

I've realised I'm out of step with the philosophy of a lot of modellers when you hear some announcement about a new version of a popular prototype, and you get people saying "great, now I can get rid of/move on my Bachmann 66s, Hornby 50s, Heljan Westerns etc" (whatever). Wait, what? Weren't these models good enough for you at the time? Haven't you invested time and effort in weathering/personalising them, and so on? I can understand it when a model comes along that represents a massive leap forward over whatever was there before (eg comparing Hornby's old tender-drive Black 5 to the version that came out in the early 2000s) but not when it's case of supplanting an already very good model, which seems to be the case with many new releases. That said, I understand that the manufacturers have to keep producing new product to drive sales, and the pool of "not done yet" models is pretty small, unless they jump into a totally new scale.

 

What Mikkel says about finding "the joy" resonates, too - I think a lot of us have to go on a bit of a modelling journey, though, before we circle back to the things that give us the most pleasure over the longest time. For some, it's the pursuit of detail and fidelity (which I suppose inevitably funnels them into the finescale side of the hobby, be it P4, 2mm, Scale7 whatever). I realised a while ago that I'm not on that track - too much of a bodger, and too little interested in exacting detail and prototype accuracy. I do like tinkering with old models. though - fixing broken bits, reworking mechanisms, tracking down gremlins - which is probably why I take a perverse pleasure in keeping running a lot of older models, such as the Bachmann split chassis examples, not to mention making them work on DCC. The same goes for the handful of Lima and ex-Airfix ringfield mechanisms still in use.

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Agree. It could be argued that it doesn't go well with the "consistency" mantra to mix old and newer stock, but in my view that's more a question of creating an overall unified look. I think your layouts demonstrate better than anyone's how it's possible to create overall consistency with stock of mixed vintage. 

 

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I’ve got a couple of these in boxes as ‘projects to do’… Probably been squirrelled away for years.

 

Given the cost of current rtr, v the cost of secondhand or ‘do-er-uppers’  and old never finished projects I think it’s about time we all got back to Railway MODELLING.

 

Well done Al….you may just have started something we are all going to finish.

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I believe "good enough" was a philosophy floated by a prominent US modeller (can't remember the name..) , and very influential in the States . Basically his view was that chasing detailed perfection in individual models was a mistake, because the real model is the whole layout. If the big picture is right, using all the right things made to a decent standard (but not an ultra high one)  then that is the way to go. You are modelling the Redneck Subdistrict in your basement, not an individual boxcar - life is short. It doesn't matter if every boxcar has exactly the right number of rivets so lon g as you are running the right trains with decent models of the right boxcars through a decent model of the right scene. Whereas thanks to P4 and the finescale movement we've sought detailed accuracy - but sometimes the layout assembled from these exquisite models is completely unrealistic:  I think of the classic D+E TMD layout , where the fact is that small diesel depots used by 4 freight operators have never actually existed. (Nobody is interested in modelling Ilford, or even a small DMU depot like LN  or CA)

 

Broadly speaking, everything tooled up in OO in the last 20 years is "good enough" (ok, we'll exclude Dapol's attempt at a Pendolino...) That's why I'm a lot more optimistic about the medium term future for the hobby than I am about the medium term future for OO RTR manufacturers. Unless you can bring something new to the table, and that's getting rather difficult unless you announce the Paget loco or a Johnson Spinner, it becomes increasingly difficult to persuade people to "upgrade" at an ever rising cost.  I can't be bothered replacing my Bachmann 158s with a new W Yorks 158 discounted to a mere £340 - I can't remember anyone saying anything much against the original  models, they run well and have had decoders in them for 15 years... 

 

I'm very much with BlackRat here - if I want extra DMUs for the layout I'd do better building the DC Kits in my cupboard, which costs very little at this point and doesn't require me to find any more space in the flat.

Also there's a certain satisfaction in recycling your old models into something pretty decent, as here Mk2a BFK and Mk1 TSO . OK, you can see a difference with a Bachmann Mk1 at a distance of 18" (mainly around the glazing) but with new OO coaches hitting £80 and more a go, here's a decent set that cost me pennies because I had the bits, using two coaches I bought when I was 14 and 15... (The NBL loco isn't Dapol either ...)

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14 hours ago, Ravenser said:

OK, you can see a difference with a Bachmann Mk1 at a distance of 18" (mainly around the glazing) but with new OO coaches hitting £80 and more a go, here's a decent set that cost me pennies because I had the bits, using two coaches I bought when I was 14 and 15... (The NBL loco isn't Dapol either ...)

 

In similar vein, I've not been tempted by the newer Bulleid and Thompson coaches, because it's far more satisfying and economical to spend a few evenings tarting up the early 90s equivalents, even though the result may not be as good. With the Thompsons, I lower the bogies, fit flush glazing, rework the roof profile, and fit new gangways. Viewed running as part of a train, they're fine. Since they (and various Hornby Gresleys) are only used to form inter-regional stock when I'm running my layout in S&D mode, they just need to be good enough to say Eastern Region.

 

I'm quite happy to buy new RTR coaching stock where there's not been a decent RTR precursor, though, hence the many Hornby Hawksworths and Maunsell coaches running on my layout.

 

 

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Worth noting that this seems to have been the philosphy adoptet by John Ahern and Peter Denny, in their cases of course with models they were buiding from scratch. Once they'd reached a standard they were happy with, everything they subsequently built fitted with everything else and neither of them threw much if anything away (though presumably some models went wrong and never saw the light of day.) The result is that both their layouts (happily still with us) work as a complete picture.

I think you can compare that with other arts and, if you see the model railway as a complete scene, rather than as a stage on which to view superdetailed models of rolling stock (which clearly some people do and that's fine) then a level of consistency is important.  This isn't just about the level of detail. I've found with the buildings on my own layouts (and I have no pretensions to fine scale perfection) that those built from plastic, those built from card and those moulded from plaster or resin, just don't look well together. It's not that one if inherently "better" than the others but, a bit like water colour and oils, they are different media. 

There is of course the factor that a model you've built yourself can be far more satisfying than one you've simply bought.

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Lovely work Al and good to see some old school modelling.

 

Like you say Dapol have not produced the Collett 93xx variant of the GWR Mogul. A good excuse to update the old Bachmann model.

 

Last year I was given a poorly running Bachmann 93xx and set about detailing it and getting it to run.

 

Blog entry here:

 

 

For a source of detailing parts I raided Peter's Spares for Dapol detailing spare parts available for the GWR Mogul. I also fitted new axles and a cog available from Peter's Spares to improve the indifferent running.

 

The replacement chimney came from Alan Gibson.

 

Recently, I have acquired a Comet chassis set so it will be re-chassied eventually.

 

With a bit of modelling like you have shown, it is certainly is possible to lift these older models to a more modern standard.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

 

 

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