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59. Wagon purists look away now! or, how to make a Bachmann BDA look like a XVA Trestle wagon.


C126

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Despite Mr David Larkin confirming for me the floor of a XVA wagon is an open frame-work, compared to the BDA steel bolster wagon's wooden platform, I am determined to have a means of conveying over-size steel from the manufacturers up north to a small ship-yard south of Atherington East Yard, at Tilling Docks.  The wagon would be conveyed at the head of the goods train 'passing through' my goods yard, so I need not consider load handling in my little general sidings.

 

What decided me was if I keep the loaded side facing the viewer, the wagon floor would be obscured largely, and if painted black I hope will not be obvious.  So I bought some packs of Evergreen L-shape angle - Nos. 292, 0.080"/2.0 mm. and 294, 0.125"/3.2 mm. and tried to calculate the dimensions of the trestle frame.  Taking Colin J. Marsden's measurements from his 1984 BR and private owner wagons, pp.87-88, of an 8'6" high frame at a 48Deg. angle, I drew a scale diagram of the trestle arrangement:

 

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However, I made the first of several mistakes in thinking the frame propping the 'loading side' was at a right-angle to it.  As one can see from Paul Bartlett's excellent web-site, it is not...

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestlexva

 

In blissful ignorance, I made a paper mock-up to balance on the Bachmann wagon, now stripped of its bolsters with a large pair of pliers, and popped a Lima Class 33 diesel in front of it.  The trestle stuck out alarmingly above the loco, so I trimmed off six mm. gradually by eye, this being the final length of the main trestle 'stakes', giving a measurement of 40mm. and the supporting girders of 24mm.  I cut off three sides of the BDA's 'lip', and painted the edges black.  I should have done the whole floor then as well.

 

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Then it was just a case of cutting and shaping ten pairs of girders, and making sure they were the correct orientation.  I glued the bottom of each to a thin strip of plastic square to provide a second 'mount', and worked from the outside to the wagon centre, lest the spacing appear in need of correction - I thought this would give better scope for adjustment.  The gap is 19.5mm.  Propping up the 'load frame' against the wagon's edge, I glued on the supporting girders, scraping paint off the wagon floor to allow the Liquid Poly to adhere, and finally the cross-braces on the back.  The 'diamond' junction plates are 120g./m2 paper, cut to shape.  All was then painted with Humbrol silver, no. 11.

 

One of many errors is the lack of the three 'steps' either side of the larger central one on the 'support side'.  I assume owing to mis-measurement and/or over-size plastic angle, these will not fit, so am undecided as to whether to ignore them (they will be hidden by the sheet steel load anyway) or cut away the step or girder to fit.

 

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And here is the result in revenue earning service on its way to Tilling Docks, in the yard arrival line.  I intend to fit 0.5mm. painted paper strips over the loads for the plastic strapping.  I assume each sheet was loaded individually, i.e., there was no 'sandwiching' of steel the same size, but could be wrong.  Also there is a hand rail above the steps to add, with painted garden wire.

 

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Lessons for the future: use smaller L-shape angle.  These were the only two on sale at the exhibition, but are too large; there might be smaller sizes made by Evergreen.  Try and get correct measurements (but I do not know how); this might permit the other steps to fit.

 

I hope this encourages others to have a go.  My results are going to win no prizes, but I like the look, and it might prompt fate to bring out a ready-to-run version.  And my ship-yard can get its steel delivery.

 

 

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Good thinking!   To be honest, I did not think of looking for a kit.  This would give greater 'flexibility', for want of a better word, in fitting a superstructure and subsequent fettling, I would think.  Second attempt now starting to be planned...  😀

 

 

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Another thought is that the Bachmann MXA Lobster has the visible BDA chassis frame, which i believe is metal to give the required weight. I wonder if the body is removable which would leave a clear skeletal chassis frame?

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1 hour ago, Mark Saunders said:

Here is the Blue Peter lobster!

 

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Thanks, Mark.  Appears to have fewer cross-braces than the XVA, but these could be added.  Certainly better than black planking...

 

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Mark that is really useful. I wonder where they got some of the detail from as it looks good, but isn't the same as the XVA - for example the plate above the bogie https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestlexva/e9c3b3d9   The cross bracing should be simple to add https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestlexva/e9b89400

 

I've always had a personal interest in these because I was trying to get one of the kit manufacturer's to produce a BDO 40 years ago. The same frame is present beneath the LNER 1930s built Boplates and bogie bolster Ds (those with the two plank sides through to the later LNER builds, the BR BBDs of various types and Boplates as well as these Trestles - which ended up as under runners with no body work, And I still routinely see the remains of BDAs (which are really BDOs) hammering through York loaded with 60 tons of slab steel 60 years after their frames were manufactured. 

 

Paul

PS for the very skilled with a soldering iron there is a lovely kit for the XVA in 7mm. One of my friends has made one - and he does say how useful my photos were. 

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I have spent some time correcting the colour error - forgetting to photograph the trestle before gluing the loads on, so you will have to take my word for it - and wrestling with strapping (ironed flat embroidery cotton).  I think this is as far as I will go with this one, and I am pleased with the overall look.  However, I know what to do for a second attempt.

 

The XVA arrives behind 73 005 on 6O73, the 09.00 from Willesden Yard, tucked behind the loco as it is passing through to Tilling Docks.  The shunter emerges grudgingly from his new Bachmann hut.  He has an hour to get the train ready to depart at 12.00 for the docks.

 

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And here is the back/non-public view.  Note my indolence in securing the strapping ends just with a large blob of Copydex.

 

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Thanks for all your kind words of advice and encouragement, and giving this your attention.

 

 

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