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Interesting project Matt.

The Lima 87 body always looked pretty good to me apart from just one issue - the windscreen frames. I can't put my finger on whether they are the wrong dimensions, or whether they stand a little too proud, but summat just doesn't do it for me.

i wonder if anyone has checked them with a 1:1 class 87.

Great stuff though Matt and good that someone remembers that 87s shifted a lot of freight at night. 4S50 Dudley-Gushetfaulds was booked an 86/0 and an 87, as was the return 4M51. these locos came off Down Euston-Wolverhamptons after they'd deposited their stocks at Oxley, both coming separately light to Bescot where we multied them - 87 on the inside and 86 on the front.

The return 4M51 was just the same. We split them and sent them both to Oxley for Up Londons.

Funny you should say that about the windscreens Phil, I was looking at the picture above earlier and trying to work out why it din't look quite right.

Again, I can't quite put my finger on why, but something doesn't look quite right.

It's looking good Matt, I never knew that the Hornby 90 bogies were too long, are they out by much?

Interesting project Matt.

 

The Lima 87 body always looked pretty good to me apart from just one issue - the windscreen frames. I can't put my finger on whether they are the wrong dimensions, or whether they stand a little too proud, but summat just doesn't do it for me.

 

i wonder if anyone has checked them with a 1:1 class 87.

 

Great stuff though Matt and good that someone remembers that 87s shifted a lot of freight at night. 4S50 Dudley-Gushetfaulds was booked an 86/0 and an 87, as was the return 4M51. these locos came off Down Euston-Wolverhamptons after they'd deposited their stocks at Oxley, both coming separately light to Bescot where we multied them - 87 on the inside and 86 on the front.

 

The return 4M51 was just the same. We split them and sent them both to Oxley for Up Londons.

What did the Dudley legs Phil?

The Lima 87 body always looked pretty good to me apart from just one issue - the windscreen frames. I can't put my finger on whether they are the wrong dimensions, or whether they stand a little too proud, but summat just doesn't do it for me.

 

i wonder if anyone has checked them with a 1:1 class 87.

Funny you should say that about the windscreens Phil, I was looking at the picture above earlier and trying to work out why it din't look quite right.

 

Again, I can't quite put my finger on why, but something doesn't look quite right.

 

It's looking good Matt, I never knew that the Hornby 90 bogies were too long, are they out by much?

Hi Phil, and Pugsley.

Yeah the cab windows have been bothering me too. While no doubt my photography hasn't helped show of the model.

Main points to me seam to be;

• Main center dividing pillar is to thick.
• The moulded cab window surrounds too curved, should be flat,
• The cab roof has a far to much sharp 'porch' going on, and should be more subtly curved. This and the bad lighting in the photo graphs cause quite a bit of shadow.

I'm also wondering if the whole cab window unit is inset a little too much into the rest of the bodywork, this seams especially the case near the main cab-side corner pillar. I expect a nice etch coupled with some laser cut glazing from brian hanson would drastically improve the model. As i'll be seeing him this weekend I'll be sure to give his arm a good twist.

Otherwise, I think the Lima 87 is pretty damn good. Some filling and a bit of wet and dry will improve the cab windows no end I expect, in the same way that a bit of filing on the Bachy 47 to get more of the 'sad eye's' effect improves the model no end.

With regards the bogies, the Hornby 90's come in with 44-mm axle centers, so only 1-mm out from the prototype and considerably better than the 40-mm axle spacing on the Hornby 86 bogie.

Interesting project Matt.

 

Great stuff though Matt and good that someone remembers that 87s shifted a lot of freight at night. 4S50 Dudley-Gushetfaulds was booked an 86/0 and an 87, as was the return 4M51. these locos came off Down Euston-Wolverhamptons after they'd deposited their stocks at Oxley, both coming separately light to Bescot where we multied them - 87 on the inside and 86 on the front.

 

The return 4M51 was just the same. We split them and sent them both to Oxley for Up Londons.

When was this Phil? My period is May 1974, so only the 87's worked in true multiple. But many services were double headed, at least through Carlisle. From the notes supplied to me by Steve Rabone, all 50% of the 87's heading north on a double headed FL service are back to Carlisle within 6 hours on another service. But then 1974 WCML workings were pretty damn intensive!

Regards

Matt