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The birth, short life and death of an EM trial layout idea


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Updates are added to the foot of this blog - current update is July 2011. (Note also discussion in the comments section)

 

September2009 :

Forgot to report (or did I?) that my EM gauge trial is one step closure. Saturday saw the purchase of a Bachmann Pannier 4666 at Loughborough show. Wheels on order with Ultrascale - so conversion work should be starting at Christmas!

 

My plans for the 5' trial layout are here: My link

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Thanks to the guys in this thread for info on a foreign class: My link

 

November update 2009:

I'm now happy to report that a Bachmann 45XX, 4569, has joined the fleet for Nonstallan. Must get round to ordering the plates for it and 4666 from Fox.

Ordered the plates on Sunday and received them from Fox 2 days later - fantastic service!

12/11/09 - Plates now fitted to the WR locos.

 

December update 2009:

After some discussion with John it would appear that he really has his heart set on building the real Nanstallon, so it seems a bit pointless me having a go at a cut down version. To be honest i was getting worried that a layout with 1 point wouldn't hold my interest for too long. Thoughts have now moved to doing an essence of Boscarne Jct which is along the same line and so will require the same stock etc.

 

Thanks to Geoff Cook for sending me the preformed frog and checkrail bits (common crossing?) that i need for my EM trial. Fantastic bit of work. The point will be built after my commitments for the Stafford exhibition (1st w/e in Feb).

 

January 2010 update:

Got a great parcel from Ultrascale last week - 2 sets of EM gauge wheels. Smashing. I've had a quick look but am resisting doing anything with them until the Stafford show is out of the way and i've built the pub, bridge and workshops that i've promised to do for Damian's Diesels in the Duchy layout. DitD is also in EM (but DCC) so I think i might take the bits with me to do there....

 

March 2010 update:

In a fit of boredom with the telly I rushed upstairs, got 4666 out of the display case, dug out the Ultrascale wheelset and spent 50mins putting the two together. Just need the C&L track to arrive now and I can test if the conversion went well..... Doesn't seem to be anywhere near as much side play in the wheels - I wonder what the minimum radius will be now? I suspect 1st radius curves will be out of the question!

 

July 2011 update:

Well it all makes quite depressing reading. Almost two years and I have 1 1/2 converted EM locos, a box full of EM track parts, some point bits kindly provided by Geoff and a plan. What I don't have is a layout. As stated in December 2099 the plan at the top of the page won't see the light of day - it's one for John to do a better job of.

 

All the bits will get used someday but not for a while. First I have commitments to fulfill for Damian (Diesels in the Duchy) and John (Once Upon a Time), oh and a house to finish. So for at least the next 12 months it looks like a bit of tinkering on Treneglos will be about it.

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I had missed the original thread on previous RMweb. I like the minimalist approach here - lots of room for scenic development. Any ideas /plans on the buildings - the original thread got bogged down in EM/P4 debate & I can't see much reference tothe actual design....rolleyes.gif

 

 

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Hi Rich

The buildings will be based upon Nanstallon station on the Bodmin - Wadebridge line down in Cornwall. So, LSWR cottage, stone based signal box, concrete platform and SR concrete or WR pagoda waiting room. Plus some small wooden / corrugated iron huts. No plans drawn up yet of the buildings as I'm currently building a pub, bridge and works for a friend's layout.

I do however have all the bits needed to build the boards - just time required now.....

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- just time required now.....

 

I know that feeling...

I must admit the Bodmin & Wadebridge is firing my imagination at the mo' - but I'm being individual / weird and NOT thinking of a Beattie tank! I'm thinking of Boscarne-ish in the 1980s imagining the Wenford line had stayed open. Have you seen this site - working on a Boscarne Junction style layout in P4? Grogley junction

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The actual trackplan and board-shape here are very similar to the Deadwater plan in Ian Futer's book Modelling Scotlands Railways, which is of course what I based my layout on:

 

- With the benefit of hindsight, having the 'viewing side' on the outside of the curve seems like a nice idea at first, but from the middle of the layout you can see straight in to both fiddleyards (regardless of what you use as scenic blockers at either end!). If I was doing something like this again I'd be inclined to have the viewing side on the inside of the curve, so the curve works for rather than against you- if you see what I mean?

 

-It also means the 'through' line gets a more awkward alignment and tighter radius, than the siding?

 

Other than that it looks like a very interesting project and of the sort I am very fond of, whatever the prototype! ;)

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Thanks Russ for the observations - was thinking about the 'seeing into the fiddle' issue myself a few weeks back and trying to work out if it bothered me enough to swap the mainline curve from convex to concave. I think I'll draw up another version in a while to see how it looks. From memory part of the reason for drawing it convex was to angle the lines going into the fiddle away from the viewing side and give a bit extra offset for the 4' turntables i was considering using.

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Thanks Russ for the observations - was thinking about the 'seeing into the fiddle' issue myself a few weeks back and trying to work out if it bothered me enough to swap the mainline curve from convex to concave. I think I'll draw up another version in a while to see how it looks. From memory part of the reason for drawing it convex was to angle the lines going into the fiddle away from the viewing side and give a bit extra offset for the 4' turntables i was considering using.

Yeah its a bit of a conundrum isnt it, we think curves look good, but doing it one way or the other is a compromise to either viewing or operating. Looking closely at Chris Nevard's 'Catcott Burtle' I often wonder if we aren't missing something? - on big layouts yes flowing curves look good, but on something of this size I often wonder if anyones going to complain about a 'scale' 5 ft of track being straight?

 

4' turntables sound way too big for this type of layout - if you send a four foot train into a five foot layout I'm sure they wont suit the layout? - I 'budgeted' for 3 foot trains, into 6 ft of visual length, and in the end realised that my trains looked better at 2'6 - that represents a type 1 or 2 diesel and about 5-7 wagons - you will get more than that behind the steam loco's you mention?

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Yeah its a bit of a conundrum isnt it, we think curves look good, but doing it one way or the other is a compromise to either viewing or operating. Looking closely at Chris Nevard's 'Catcott Burtle' I often wonder if we aren't missing something? - on big layouts yes flowing curves look good, but on something of this size I often wonder if anyones going to complain about a 'scale' 5 ft of track being straight?

 

4' turntables sound way too big for this type of layout - if you send a four foot train into a five foot layout I'm sure they wont suit the layout? - I 'budgeted' for 3 foot trains, into 6 ft of visual length, and in the end realised that my trains looked better at 2'6 - that represents a type 1 or 2 diesel and about 5-7 wagons - you will get more than that behind the steam loco's you mention?

 

Ooops - I did actually mean to type 3' not 4'. The types of train this would hold include:

 

Loco (Ivatt Tank / O2 / and SR 2 coach P Set

Loco (45XX) and WR B Set

Single unit (Class 121 / 122)

Rail bus

Beattie Well Tank and clays

N Class and mixed freight

Loco (57XX or Class 22) and mixed freight

etc

 

All these fit nicely within the 3' turntable length. The best bit is that i can probably run about 20 years worth of locos / stock on the layout ranging from the O2 to the Class 22.

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Let me know if you need a hand with this.

 

I do a reasonable job of boards and 'lecky' stuff...............

 

Not built many buildings apart from the odd roundhouse...........

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Good to see you on here Mr Ross. Will 50021 and 50046 be joining you?

 

You can help only after we've finished your layout, built John's and invested in some sandpaper!

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