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Judith Edge Ruston 48DS - Inner frames 1.


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The inner frames are etched in one piece and form the working heart of the loco, holding the axles and gearbox in place. They can be built rigid or compensated. Compensating this loco is so easy that there's little point in building it rigid.

The instructions suggest fitting the lead axle bearings in place before folding up, I chose to fit the bearings after folding to make holding the frame sides secure for bending easier;

 

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Not everything goes as planned... Note the section above the black line. This has tried to stay flat with the frame sides despite being clamped securely down with a Hold + Fold. Some remedial work with pliers sorted the problem out on the first frame. On the second frame I had the same problem on one side so before folding the second side I deepened the fold line as much as I dared with first a triangular needle file then a square file to get a good 90 degree fold. This worked well so I flattened out the first side, did the same and tried bending it up again, with predictable (in hindsight) results;

 

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Note the split in the nearest end between the black lines and the break in the etch at the other end (difficult to see but again between black marks). Ho hum.

It would have been better to either deepen the fold lines in the first place or to have held the frames in something more solid than a Hold + Fold - either steel bending bars held in a vice, or directly in a vice if it has good jaws (this is how Mike Edge does it, he obviously has a better quality vice than me). I'm hoping that Mike can sell me another etch.

I should point out that this problem is entirely of my own making and nothing to do with the design of the kit. Although I do feel that top of the leading end of the etch could do with strengthening, perhaps by radiusing the corners of the gearbox cut-out.

 

As mentioned the bearings were fitted after the frames were bent up. They needed to be filed down to clear the gearbox, I did this before soldering in place. To hold the bearings for filing I slipped each bearing over a length of 2mm axle material in a vice (my vice has horizontal and vertical grooves for holding round stock);

 

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Swing arms can either be fitted inside or outside the frames depending on whether your working to OO or to EM/P4. As these two are being built to EM swing arms are fitted outside;

 

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Peco track pins are used as pivot pins (a tip picked up from Kenton's Judith Edge NBL shunter build) and I blackened the swing arms to avoid soldering them up solid when soldering the pins in place.

Underneath a pivot is needed for the axle to rock on;

 

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The .45mm wires are for the brake shoes.

 

A couple of pics. of the inner frames with the gearbox in place;

 

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I had to file some material from the frame top to clear the gearbox, especially around the pivot pin which holds the swing arm in place. It might have been better to have dispensed with the seperate pivot pin on the gearbox and soldered the pivot axle directly to the swing arm, this is covered in the gearbox instructions.

 

There is still work to do to this assembly but I'll leave it for now whilst I start on the footplate.

 

Paul.

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Its not until you see the motor that you realise how small the chassis is.

Enjoyable blog, thanks...

 

Pete

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Nice work... as always. Very useful warts-and-all build. Your candour is appreciated. What size Hold & Fold are you using? I have a 2 inch version, and it came with a thin steel blade that was about 3 inches long. I have yet to work out what to use it for,but now I'm wondering if it may have uses in these "vegetarian" (i.e. no meat) situations... of course, it could be for something else entirely.. Funnily enough (you are laughing, right?) I was looking at precision machine vices on Ebay last night... I figured they might be useful in brass-based bendery... I've "heard" people rave about these but I can't afford one.

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Thanks for the comments.

 

Pete - the chassis is 42mm long, if you thinks thats small take a look at Missy's 2mm scale narrow gauge stock!

 

Jan - hopefully if I share my mistakes it might save others from falling into the same traps. Although it does make me look like a halfwit... And I wouldn't want anyone thinking that I'm some kind of kit building expert!

 

I have 2 Hold & Folds - the 2" 'Bug' and the 5.5" version. I tried both when folding the inner frames but neither was really up to the job. However if I'd deepened the fold lines (until there is a witness mark on the other side of the metal) in the first place then I'd have had success. This would have weakened the fold but a fillet of solder would have restored any lost strength (I tend to re-enforce folds with solder anway). I do tend to lightly run a square file along fold lines as a matter of course but in this case it didn't make a lot of difference. The H+F is an excellent tool but being aluminimum will flex slightly under heavy use. I may yet buy myself some GW Models bending bars.

 

I've examined the vice that you've linked to on Eileen's stand and it is indeed a nice high quality item. At the time I coudn't afford it so bought a cheaper multi-angle vice. One day I'll buy myself one when feeling flush, after all good quality tools last forever if looked after.

 

Paul.

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I may yet buy myself some GW Models bending bars.

 

Hi Paul,

 

If your vice opens wide enough, why not try a couple of bits of 1/2 in HSS tool steel? Just a thought.... I find them handy :)

 

Cheers

 

Jan

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I'm pretty sure that I have some tool steel, however its 130 miles away in a lock up along with my engineering tools and my lathe (which needs refurbishing).

 

Paul.

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I'm pretty sure that I have some tool steel, however its 130 miles away in a lock up along with my engineering tools and my lathe (which needs refurbishing).

 

Paul.

 

 

Well, ebay is close to you.

 

Jan

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Ebay is a bad place full of things that you don't need but really want! (Jidenco Bass beer tank/vans kits...)

 

Paul.

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Thank you for posting all of this, I am building this as my first brass loco kit, and without this blog I do not think I would have a hope of succeeding.

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On 17/07/2012 at 01:50, Jan said:

Funnily enough (you are laughing, right?) I was looking at precision machine vices on Ebay last night... I figured they might be useful in brass-based bendery... I've "heard" people rave about these but I can't afford one.

 

Always an alternative supplier:

https://www.cooksongold.com/Jewellery-Tools/Precision-Bench-Vice-prcode-997-1080&query=Vice%20%20Clamping%20Equipment&channel=uk

 

- or the real deal if you're feeling flush....

https://www.hswalsh.com/product/bergeon-2021-watchmakers-bench-vice-hv2021

 

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It's interesting to see mention of jewellers' suppliers (very interesting in my case, as I've bought a number of tools from Cooksons in recent years).

 

However, I could add that it isn't only the tools etc available which can make their Birmingham shop interesting to visit - they've also been known to host a number of free workshop / demo sessions (details on their website) showing different techniques.

 

OK - I can't make any promises here - and anyway I'm never likely to be interested in jewellery - but some of the techniques and equipment used in jewellery making might also be of interest to some modelmakers.

 

 

Huw.

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