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Ropley - Fiddling around........again


TomE

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Hi All.

 

One of the unique features of the RMweb Members day over a normal exhibition is the opportunity to get up close to the layouts on display, and this year Missy of this parish very kindly allowed me to spend some time operating (playing with) Highclere. The layout itself doesn't really need any introduction and in the flesh it truly is a work of art, but of particular interest to me this year was the more mundane part of the layout, the fiddle yard, and the opportunity to see it in action has brought me back to the yards that will be required for Ropley.

 

A few entries back I touched on the fiddle yard and set out a few early thoughts about how they might operate, with a traverser system being considered initially. The real Mid Hants Railway is essentially one big end to end layout which means that engines are not turned at Alton & Alresford and simply run around the stock, so this ruled out a continuous circuit type arrangement. No bad thing as I don't really have the space for that! After operating Highclere and Highbury colliery recently, both of which employ a cassette system, I began to wonder if there was some way a simple cassette and loop system could be used instead of the traverser and the first simple plan drawn up was as follows:

 

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This essentially would be a simple version of the station loops at each end of the full sized railway. Operationally, the train would enter the line with the cassette, where the loco would then be uncoupled before then being run around the stock. If a change of stock was needed, then the cassette would simply be swapped around. Now, I was really quite keen on this until I sat down and stated to work out dimensions! The initial scenic board for Ropley is 120cm long, which is quite small for a railway where services are usually composed of 5 Mk.1s and engine. In N Gauge, a rake of 5 Mk.1s is roughly 70cm, plus another 16ish cm to allow for some of the larger engines which have run over the line in the past. Britannia, Bittern 7 Canadian Pacific for example. When you add in the space required for the run around loop in the plan above and then consider that another yard of equal length at the opposite end is required, you would end up with a layout composed largely of fiddle yard!

 

So, back to the drawing board and the initial traverser idea. I really wanted to keep things simple, and had looked at various examples of traversers on RMweb and around the net for ideas. In the end I decided to go with a simplified version of the original plan, and just have one traverser capable of holding 5 coaches & engine, dropping the seperate loco sections in the original design. This resulted in the plan below:

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The total length of the above setup is 100cm, and although in its initial form the layout will still be nearly 2 thirds fiddle yard, its a lot less than using the cassette method and once the station area is added at a later date, the whole thing will be nicely balanced I think. By fitting some wood to the underneath of the yard boards, stock can also be stored underneath the sliding traverser when not required. A small frontatge will be fitted which will allow the yards to be seen since this seems to be an area of interest to many at exhibitions.

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In order to make the yard actually traverse, I looked at a few options before finding some small drawer runners intended for replacing those supplied by that well known Swedish purveyor of self assembly furniture. The source for these is here. These runners can simply be attached to the cross members of the basic yard structure, allowing the yard to simply be pulled or pushed into place. To lock the yard in alignment with the running lines, I plan to use bolt latches, again to keep things simple.

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The final design feature of this plan will be integrated legs at each end. The yard boards will rest on a ledge fixed to the scenic section through which bolts will pass to secure everything in place. This means that legs are will only be required at the outer ends and this again helps to keep things nice and simple!

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Hopefully this all makes sense! It’s not always easy to explain ideas you have in your head until you get to the hammering things together stage! Some thought still needs to be give to electrical matters but the aim with that will also be to keep it simple!

 

Cheers,

 

Tom.

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All seems to make perfectly logical sense to me. I am a big believer in the KISS principal and so avoid any unneccesary complication. For electrical connections I would make use of the bolts - it means that only the track aligned and bolted is live. You may also, in practice, want to think about damping the drawer runners, they can be a bit too free running causing stock to derail.

I fully agree about Highclere and its fiddle yard. Like most of Julia's ideas, its simple, elegant and it works - the mark of good design.

 

Jerry

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Thanks Jerry.

 

Will keep the advice about the runners in mind! Don't want stock flying off all over the place!

 

I had been thinking about using the alignment bolts for electrical connection if I can find some that are a tight enough fit. Another thought was to use some computer cable & connectors or something similar.

 

Tom.

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Thanks Jerry.

 

I had been thinking about using the alignment bolts for electrical connection if I can find some that are a tight enough fit. Tom.

 

I have used bolts for alignment and electrical continuity on the train table on Tucking Mill. I made the bolts from telescopic brass tube from Eileens.

 

Jerry

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St Ruth uses an linear traverser as well. I will write an brief description here, as I'm not sure anything is actually written about it on RMWeb. Sorry in advance if you have already decided your design and don't want any more examples!

 

Ours are built on "Igus Drylin N Series," slides instead. Which according to the bloke who built it are "smooth running and much more precise," (lifted from an discussion on the VAG ~25/6/12.) I couldn't tell you why these ones in particular were picked, I have nothing against the Swedish furniture supplier in question!

 

The slider base comprises of an piece of PCB which has rail soldered ontop of (13 tracks in total.) Below this there are two additional PCB tracks which provide the feed and allow isolation between the two halves. Phosphor bronze strip wipers electrically attached to the feed rail mean that the 3 aligned rails are the only ones that have power. We have nothing to ensure alignment other than using the naked eye. I will only say that there was more than one derailment at Nottingham because of this.

 

I realize that this really doesn't stick to the Kiss principle, as none of the other electrical systems do either. The bloke that built the traverser is around here somewhere If you had any more questions, or I can pass you his email address off topic.

 

Best Regards

 

Chris.

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Thanks for that Chris.

 

I had a look at those Igus runners, but they are quite pricey! I suppose it will be a classic case of you get what you pay for but I'll see what the cheapo ones are like first!

 

Cheers,

 

Tom.

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Nice work Tom.

 

I wouldn't worry about the % relationship between the scenic and non scenic parts of the layout.

 

The 1/3 scenic part is already high quality modelling and besides personally, I always enjoy cranking my neck and having a good nose at what is in the non scenic sections...

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Thanks Pete!

 

You won't need to crank your neck here, the edges of the yards will be purposly fairly low to allow people to see whats up next!

 

Tom.

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You won't need to crank your neck here, the edges of the yards will be purposly fairly low to allow people to see whats up next!

 

How about 'scenic fiddleyards' as demonstrated by Marc Smith's recent layouts?...

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I'll see what the cheapo ones are like first!

 

Tom,

 

If they don't run smoothly placed horizontally then you could always try mounting them vertically, which should be smoother as the fiddleyard will act as an big drawer. Which orientation has Jerry used on Tuckingmill?

 

The fiddleyard and wiring for ST Ruth are so complicated as it is designed for four controllers to be used at once (DC I hasten to add.) KISS is long gone!

 

Best Regards,

 

Chris.

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How about 'scenic fiddleyards' as demonstrated by Marc Smith's recent layouts?...

 

A nice idea Pete, but with the first board a long way from being finished, and the station board planned for the future, I think that might be biting off more than I can chew just now ;) However, very very very long term, the layout could be extended to include the other stations on the line which would mean no need for fiddle yards at all!

 

Tom,

 

If they don't run smoothly placed horizontally then you could always try mounting them vertically, which should be smoother as the fiddleyard will act as an big drawer. Which orientation has Jerry used on Tuckingmill?

 

The fiddleyard and wiring for ST Ruth are so complicated as it is designed for four controllers to be used at once (DC I hasten to add.) KISS is long gone!

 

Best Regards,

 

Chris.

 

Thanks Chris, something to keep in mind. Hopefully the runners will arrive tomorrow and I can see what they are like. I'm hoping to get the first yard done by the middle of August and if it all works as planned then the second one will follow fairly quickly. That has some other considerations to take into account, namely being compatible with the layout in its current form, and its eventual extended format.

 

Cheers,

 

Tom.

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