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Pondering on plans 2


wenlock

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Here's my attempt at resolving some of the issues previously discussed.

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I'd appreciate any input as to whether a double slip would be used in this way to provide a catch and protect the main from the loop and sidings.

 

Thanks in anticipation

 

Dave

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Hi Dave,

 

Lovely modelling you have been sharing with us!

 

The double slip is perfectly acceptable.

I am concerned at the radius of the back road in the goods yard: it looks tight. Or of course that may be an optical illusion.

 

Re the S7 route versus other options, you may find 31mm a bit tight in places - but I will leave that for the 0 gauge fine "gurus" to suggest a recommended figure between that and 31.5mm. However, there is no reason why you can't use S7 wheels, set to 0F B2B, especially with the tighter gauge. They would look nice, and it runs well - I bullied persuaded a friend into trying this, and he thought it worked very well. With Slater's wagon wheels, the process is easy, as the axles are the same for 0F and S7, but the latter have a 1mm thick "washer" moulded on the back. If you take the wheels off the axles, remove this moulding, and put the wheels back on, you have an S7 wheel profile set for 31mm track, which will also run perfectly well on 0F track set to 32mm gauge.

 

I like the oval you have applied to the whole scene: very nicely framed.

 

Kind regards,

 

Simon

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Hi Dave,

 

Lovely modelling you have been sharing with us!

 

The double slip is perfectly acceptable.

I am concerned at the radius of the back road in the goods yard: it looks tight. Or of course that may be an optical illusion.

 

Re the S7 route versus other options, you may find 31mm a bit tight in places - but I will leave that for the 0 gauge fine "gurus" to suggest a recommended figure between that and 31.5mm. However, there is no reason why you can't use S7 wheels, set to 0F B2B, especially with the tighter gauge. They would look nice, and it runs well - I bullied persuaded a friend into trying this, and he thought it worked very well. With Slater's wagon wheels, the process is easy, as the axles are the same for 0F and S7, but the latter have a 1mm thick "washer" moulded on the back. If you take the wheels off the axles, remove this moulding, and put the wheels back on, you have an S7 wheel profile set for 31mm track, which will also run perfectly well on 0F track set to 32mm gauge.

 

I like the oval you have applied to the whole scene: very nicely framed.

 

Kind regards,

 

Simon

Hi Simon, glad to have confirmation that the slip is prototypical. Re the back road in the goods yard, it does indeed look a bit tight! I'm planning on making a 7th scale model of the layout, as recomended in Barry Normans book on layout planning. Hopefully I'll be able to get a better idea of the radius and ease it if neccesary.

Interesting to hear that 31mm gauge might be a bit tight. I'd be delighted to have some input on the various options, their merits and where you can buy the relevent gauges for track construction from. I've already bought some C&L 31 mm gauges, but as I've not started track construction yet, I'm more than happy to listen to advice and change if 31 mm has problems.

 

Your suggestion of using S7 wheels set to a narrower gauge is something I'd not thought of and is real food for thought!

 

Glad you like the oval shape to the layout, I hate seeing corners in back scenes and this seemed a logical conclusion.

 

Thanks for your interest and comments.

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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Dave, love the concept, especially the wrap round back scene.

 

Saw one similar (cant recall the name) where the edge was finished to look like a tree and was 'slightly' over scale, forcing the perspective and drawing you in, of course there were trees besides it to.

 

I believe some locations used a trap actually built into the slip, hopefully someone will be able to tell you.

 

Just looking at the plan, you can almost hear the creak of the sleepers and smell the creosote.

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The slip is perfectly correct and in some cases one end of it would even have been worked as a hand point!

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Dave,

 

Very much like the improvements. Debs of this parish produces a number of 31.x mm gauges which may be of interest.

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Dave, love the concept, especially the wrap round back scene.

 

Saw one similar (cant recall the name) where the edge was finished to look like a tree and was 'slightly' over scale, forcing the perspective and drawing you in, of course there were trees besides it to.

 

I believe some locations used a trap actually built into the slip, hopefully someone will be able to tell you.

 

Just looking at the plan, you can almost hear the creak of the sleepers and smell the creosote.

Thanks BlackRat, glad you like the plan. Love the comment about the creaky sleepers and creosote, thats just the atmoshere I'm trying to create!

 

Dave

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The slip is perfectly correct and in some cases one end of it would even have been worked as a hand point!

Looks like the slip is going to stay! Good to have more conformation that it's in a prototypical position.

 

Thanks Dave

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Dave,

 

Very much like the improvements. Debs of this parish produces a number of 31.x mm gauges which may be of interest.

Thanks Adrian, I'll PM Debs and find out more about the gauges she makes.

 

Dave

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Really like this - has a bit of a Hemlock feel about it.

 

Just one thing before you go on though - the turnout/doubleslip/turnout as you've drawn looks a bit short. Looking at your scale it seems more 4mm than 7mm in length. (I know - I've made the cock-up in P4 and am currently trying to sort out the mess I've managed to generate) If you haven't already done so you may see it better and to scale if you use something like Templot to draw it out - the hard work's done for you with the sizes.

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Really like this - has a bit of a Hemlock feel about it.

 

Just one thing before you go on though - the turnout/doubleslip/turnout as you've drawn looks a bit short. Looking at your scale it seems more 4mm than 7mm in length. (I know - I've made the cock-up in P4 and am currently trying to sort out the mess I've managed to generate) If you haven't already done so you may see it better and to scale if you use something like Templot to draw it out - the hard work's done for you with the sizes.

Hi Coombe Barton, thanks for your comments, Hemyock's one of my favorite stations, hence the influence, well spotted!

 

The slip/point formation does look a bit short, I'm planning on making a larger scale mock up to check exactly that type of issue. I've never used Templot, it's something I want to explore at some point. In the past I've always used the templates in Barry Norman's "Designing a layout" book and "cut and pasted" the old fashioned way with scissors and Prit Stick : )

 

Good luck with sorting out your P4 pointwork!

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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And me - EMGS templates for my paper mapping. Then I used xTrak-CAD for mine as it's only a small layout. That was after making the cock-up.

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Hi Wenlock,

 

Yes, I like the look of your eliptical baseboard :)

Nice looking design, and I think the slip does look a nice touch,

although it does look as if it may be a very tight radius, as someone suggested...

 

What design of engines shed were you thinking of using?

Something like one of the old wooden constructions?

I think it will be a very small affair, in the space you have allocated....

 

I like the private siding in front of it though, and a gate accross that siding will be a nice feature :)

 

Cheers Dave

 

Marc

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Hi Wenlock,

 

Yes, I like the look of your eliptical baseboard :)

Nice looking design, and I think the slip does look a nice touch,

although it does look as if it may be a very tight radius, as someone suggested...

 

What design of engines shed were you thinking of using?

Something like one of the old wooden constructions?

I think it will be a very small affair, in the space you have allocated....

 

I like the private siding in front of it though, and a gate accross that siding will be a nice feature :)

 

Cheers Dave

 

Marc

Hi Marc

I'm planning on only modelling the front half of the shed and allowing the loco to pass through the backsceen. So in theory, all though only about 6 inches deep you could store a Pacific or Garratt in there! I'm not sure whether it will be brick or wooden as yet.

 

I've always been very taken with gated private sidings, nice weed infested track and faded paint work, lovely!

 

Cheers matey

 

Dave

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