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  1. They are different types of material. China clay is usually dry and powdery, ball clay usually wet lumps of clay. If you used the same wagon for the different types I suspect they would contaminate each other so that the load would be useless which wouldn’t be very good as they are used for very different products! The GWR wagons were built around 1910 with DC2 brakegear. This was replaced in the 1940’s/50’s and generally became independent either side brakes but varied depending on the conversion. GWR Wagon Loads in Service (OPC) and GWR Wagons both have photos showing the convers
  2. That looks good David. Will need a couple of sets please. I’ll try and get to finishing the interior for the Comet kit in a few days and post some photos. Thanks Jeremy
  3. Thanks Flood for the information, I'll have a closer look at Paul Bartlett's site for some more details. I'm modelling Cornwall in the early 1980's so the wagons look to be ok for that. The few published photos I've seen so far for that period seem to show an all over grime livery so I'm not sure I need worry about the branding too much although the earlier style black and white one would make for a nice bit of variety. Jeremy
  4. Is there a readily available source of prototype information for these wagons? I understand that there were various versions of Cargowaggon in use from the mid-1970's but was trying to find out what prototype the Heljan ones represent, when they first arrived in the UK and what get an idea of dates from livery changes from unbranded to branded (or the other way around)? Can anyone point me to a reliable source? Thanks Jeremy
  5. Yes, but..... The oil box ones were different wagons entirely. They were 10ft wheelbase conversions from assorted standard 5 plank wagons rather than the purpose built BR versions. The BR versions did get used on traffic to/from the ball clay works around Meeth and, I think, Heathfield in Devon but I'm not sure what was used to serve the Dorest clay pits although that was also ball call and therefore possibly not suitable for your customer. Sorry, but the clay wagons are a bit of a minefield and the model manufacturers struggle to get the combinations of parts right.
  6. Just an observation on the Ratio Clay wagon mentioned earlier. The Hoody bit wasn’t introduced until 1974. Prior to that the loaded wagons would have simply used wagon sheets/tarpaulins when full. Hope that makes the build simpler for a 1960’s timeframe!
  7. I’m not convinced that the GWR 013 clays were fitted at all. The first 2 lots of the BR Wagons were also built unfitted in 1954/55 but later ones were fitted. The GWR wagons were built with single ended Dean Churchward brake gear (DC2) but most were subsequently converted to independent or Morton brakes in their latter years to meet the requirement to have the brake levers at different ends of the wagons on each side. There are a few photos of my attempts to represent this on the Scalefour Society Forum. The roller bearing wagons for the Clayliner trains were a mid-1960
  8. There is a photo in British Railways - The First 25 Years: Vol 5 The South West (page 11 lower) showing one of the BR design fish vans in a train heading from Torrington to Barnstaple behind 34002 on 23 August 1963. Unfortunately no more detail is give about the service, traffic or routing. Does anyone have any information on that service or any other information on the use of these wagons in Devon/Cornwall? I’ve got a couple of the Rumney Models BR Dia 801 kits that I’ve built and was going to put them into parcels use for a ‘70s/‘80s project but this photo might cau
  9. Thanks for the information, at least it seems that Warships were reasonable regular visitors in the early 1970’s. I thought the book was quite helpful. It gives a general overview of traffic from nationalisation onwards and then looks in more depth at various traffic types including china clay, ball clay, oil, timber, cement and so on. It is a bit biased to the period from the late 1970’s until current traffic but, in my view, is a very useful addition to the library and has certainly answered a few queries I had about freight services in both counties.
  10. Having been given a copy of “Devon & Cornwall Railfreight” by David Mitchell for Christmas, I was interested to see the photo of D812 at Bodmin General taken in September 1971 on a clay working from Boscarne to Lostwithiel. I had previously found that Warships may have operated on some of the heavier clay trains from Bodmin from an earlier (1965/66) working timetable but had not seen any photographic evidence until receiving the book. Does anyone have any other information about these workings and in particular which Warships may have been used? Thanks
  11. Spotted "in the wild" at Ian Allan Bookshop, Waterloo this morning.....
  12. Andrew, your memory is quite good - the linhay is 21.5 in long on Wheal Elizabeth but as you say, in reality this is a pretty small works like the Carbis works. I have been playing around with ideas based on the Wenfordbridge line on and off for a while but having visited the site last week while on holiday it is clear that this facility is somewhat bigger than its final output would suggest - according to "Map my Run" it is about 650 m long. The buildings are Listed and still standing and although fenced off are clearly regularly accessed by "visitors". I found a planning notic
  13. John, That’s really helpful, thank you. I’ll have to give it a go and see how I get on. I’ll let you know in due course. Jeremy
  14. Thanks John, I’ll have to have a look at how to do that to see if I can make it work. Jeremy
  15. John That Pannier is looking really good - amazing what can be done with the RTR moulding. Just wondering how you have dealt with pick-ups on this chassis? I've got one nearly complete in P4 and am having a real struggle getting reliable, invisible pick-ups fitted. Thanks Jeremy
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