johnarcher

An apparently defunct question risen from the dead! Actually I thought the 4 wheelers might have lasted into the early 30s, as on the Golden Valley. Do you know what variety of non corridor composite, and I wonder would the brake van have been the main Kington one (an AA13 road van IIRC at some point, but I don't remember it's dates offhand)?

Piece of music - Bach flute sonata in B minor BWV 1030 (Period instruments only please) Song - Dowland "I saw my lady weep" Campion "Western Wind" Dylan. Desolation Row, Visions of Johanna? Leonard Cohen . The Traitor, Anthem?? Kinks Sunny Afternoon. Almost any aria from Bach Cantatas where voice and flute (or oboe) duet. Album. Haydn. String Quartets Op. 33. Might pick differently tomorrow though.

I went to a Grammar School too. As my hair got longer in the late 60s the head told me "you'll end up playing the banjo on a Cornish beach" (banjo????). About ten years later I lived quite near a Cornish beach (Porthtowan) and played the lute (badly). So he wasn't that far off. Hair was still long though, so there. (Where did it go?)

Further to this, would it be technically possible for the two exhausts to join on the tank top and run in a single, common pipe to the smokebox?

Sorry, I misinterpreted his comment, it obviously just meant that a locomotive with air brake only could not work passenger stock on a vacuum braked line, just unfitted freight. Thanks for your clarification.

PS, just as a matter of interest, Flying Pig mentioned passenger trains, if a minor line (not vacuum using S&M) had stuck with air brake (as I believe the LBSC did) is there a date after which they couldn't use that for passenger work? (I think the Bishops Castle used even ancient chain brake until about 1923.)

PS, just as a matter of interest, Flying Pig mentioned passenger trains, if a minor line (not vacuum using S&M) had stuck with air brake (as I believe the LBSC did) is there a date after which they couldn't use that for passenger work? I think the Bishops Castle used ancient chain brake until about 1923.

I must admit the more I look at this the less I feel that I understand the pipework on any of these three enough to make a model. In the Hecate picture above there is a small pipe coming from the middle of the cab front and down, and seems to cross to the near tank top between whistle and dome. This seems the likeliest candidate for vacuum exhaust. Also what I think is exhaust from the Westinghouse pump goes up on to the same tank top. At the front end I think there is a pipe running to the smokebox just above the handrail. Presumably this the other end of one of those two, but which?

According to Johnson's history of the line all three were fitted with vacuum brake, though the pumps were not removed. There aren't many photos but Dido seems to be the only one with the obvious exhaust from the ejector.

I see what you mean about the small pipe, if it is an ejector where might it run to? I can't see any sign of it getting to the smokebox.

I have read, but can't search for where just now, that those two kept the pumps even after they were used. Looking at that picture before I thought I saw a vacuum pipe on the front buffer beam. Though the question of passenger use wouldn't be crucial.

Thanks again for your help, I'll study the article, and then must decide whether to go for this pipe ( on Dido), or the condensing pipes (on Hecate or Daphne).

Thanks again. Actually I had seen that picture, I guess the whole red-handled control the other side of the window (spectacle?) operates the exhaust, and a pipe runs up to that from somewhere below? Yes, Becasse, having also GW interests I am reminded of the variety of the 517 class. Unfortunately the Shropshire and Montgomery three vary, though all A1, and there's only a couple of often poor photos of each, so one must try and fill in details from elsewhere.

I'm a bit late to comment, but you have Shropshire and Montgomery under A1X, surely all three of theirs were A1?

Of course, thank you, I feel a bit silly now. I have found some more pictures giving some idea of its course and fixing, but not so clear about what happens to it inside the cab. Presumably it would rise from the braking system?