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It's going for a contract overhaul somewhere in northern England. And as I understand it ownership of all of the stock has been transferred. I gather that Vesta and Hawarden and the Coal Tank are all now owned by the BLS.
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Update: Haydock is going to the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, and Kettering Furnaces No.3 to the Waterford & Suir Valley Railway.
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And there's another good reason for dispersing the collection: I know quite a few people around here who would never set foot in that hateful family's hateful house (whose gatehouse was designed to resemble that of Wormwood Scrubs as a constant reminder to Lord Penrhyn's employees and tenants of what would happen to them if they put a foot wrong) and so paradoxically have a better chance of seeing the locos now that they are no longer on display there.
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I hold no brief for the NT - far from it - but to be fair on this occasion it should be noted that while Penrhyn was a nice little museum it was impossible to photograph or even get a decent view of most of the exhibits; the narrow confines of a stable block are hardly ideal for displaying standard gauge engines. The museum was also a hangover from a period in the 1960s when it was NT policy to concentrate collections of particular items at particular properties: railway equipment at Penrhyn, Harpsichords at Hatchlands Park, dolls' houses at Nunnington Hall, and so on. It was an odd policy at the time and it is also odd that the collections remained in situ for so long after the policy was abandoned.
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Well, I wasn't speculating. Somebody connected with one of the new custodians told me so.
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It's Hawarden, going to the Middleton Railway. Vesta is going to the East Lancs. I gather that ownership of the Coal Tank is being transferred to the Bahamas Locomotive Society. That leaves Haydock and Kettering Furnaces No.3 and Beckton No.1; one of these three is going to somewhere in Kent (Beckton No.1 to Chatham docks perhaps?). About a decade ago Haydock was due to move to Beamish but could not be removed from its corner of the building at Penrhyn. Perhaps that transfer will now go ahead?
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Prototype for everything corner.
papagolfjuliet replied to jonny777's topic in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)
Marsh also converted some E4s into 2-4-2Ts, which presumably were not intended for autotrain use. -
Prototype for everything corner.
papagolfjuliet replied to jonny777's topic in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)
Have been reminded that DE March converted a couple of Terriers to 2-4-0Ts. Billinton quickly converted them back, so evidently whatever Marsh had been trying to do didn't work. -
This episode of Brian Clemens' ATV anthology drama series 'Thriller' involves a series of murders on a Euston-Glasgow sleeper, which starts authentically enough with a rail blue 86 leaving London. The 86 then magically becomes an unidentified AC loco in 1960s electric blue, then as night falls transforms into some sort of European electric, and eventually reverts to being an 86 just in time to arrive at a 'Glasgow Central' which is in the middle of nowhere and has no OHL or overall roof.
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Is it still owned by the Dean Forest Diesel Association, and on loan to the NYMR, or has it been purchased outright?
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Five volunteers SUSPENDED from NYMR
papagolfjuliet replied to 6990WitherslackHall's topic in Preservation
I misspoke. The ownership of the grave remains with the church, but any memorial on that grave belongs to whoever put it there and to their heirs or, if the owner dies intestate, to that person's descendants. Only they can authorise the replacement or repair or amendment of a gravestone and only they can authorise further interments in that plot. As to the exhumation of a certain well known author, the unlikelihood or obtaining such an order has not prevented the Bronte Museum from trying to get Anne out of St. Mary's Scarborough over and over again for years. -
Five volunteers SUSPENDED from NYMR
papagolfjuliet replied to 6990WitherslackHall's topic in Preservation
Many middle aged blokes don't have much spare time, for the simple reason that people are having kids much later. In the early days of the railway preservation movement by the time a man was 45 or so his kids had got married and left home. Now like as not a middle aged couple's kids are still at primary school. -
Five volunteers SUSPENDED from NYMR
papagolfjuliet replied to 6990WitherslackHall's topic in Preservation
This is also the reason why vandalised gravestones are seldom repaired or righted - they are the property of the family of the deceased, and not of the church or local authority, meaning that they can't be touched without the permission of the family, so once a gravestone is knocked over it will probably stay knocked over because if as is usually the case you can't readily track down the descendants of the person whose grave has been vandalised then you can't readily repair it. There is one particular case of a Yorkshire church where the graveyard is the resting place of a famous author whose equally famous family are all buried in the grounds of a museum elsewhere, and whose grave is made of sandstone and faces out to sea with the result that it is badly eroded. There was a lengthy tussle between the church and the museum over ownership not only of the grave but also of the body, which the museum would very much like to exhume and place with the rest of the family as (not to put too fine a point on it) a monetisable tourist attraction, the current upshot of which is that the body is still in situ but the grave has two gravestones: the original eroded one standing upright, and a new one laid flat on the ground beneath it. Another case in point is the Royal Albert Hall. If you've ever watched concerts broadcast from there you'll have noticed that most of the boxes are always empty. This is because the Hall was funded by public subscription and the biggest subscribers got a box of their own in perpetuity, meaning that nobody except the descendants of that donor can use the things. -
Five volunteers SUSPENDED from NYMR
papagolfjuliet replied to 6990WitherslackHall's topic in Preservation
Back in the 90s - before the days of DBS checks - the Ffestiniog took somebody on who subsequently turned out to be a convicted child molester. They sacked him, naturally enough, and he sued them for unfair dismissal and won a sizeable sum of money. There's an element of self-protection in DBS checks even if the person being checked is unlikely to interact with children as part of the job.