PenrithBeacon
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On 02/04/2024 at 12:17, 5050 said:
For me (and a few others) the obvious question is - 'how easy will it be to convert to EM/P4?' I really fancy one but if it will be a pain or impossible to do then, sadly, no sale will be forthcoming.
Rapido don't have a good track record for this unfortunately
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On 28/02/2024 at 14:54, PenrithBeacon said:
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Still not convince about actually buying this model, I've got so many Bachmann 08/09 in stock. Annoying.
Anyway, I have bought one after all that fussing about. It's the post war LMS example and it arrive yesterday. Looks good!
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20 hours ago, pete_mcfarlane said:
Presumably you can use tender wheels, which is my eventual (i.e. I ordered the wheels from Ultrascale) plan, or use those 1/8" to 2mm reducing bushes that Branchlines sell with a set of Gibson loco wheels.
Consensus at the local S4 group is that the frames *might* need moving out a tiny bit to fit P4 wheels.
Perhaps these AGW wheels '4847NW 3' 11" 15.6mm 12 spoke Plain' will do.
I've edited this post to reflect a change of view I've had about this conversion.
Looking at the S4 Manual the overall width of P4 wheelsets (back-to-back plus twice the tyre width) should give you 19.75mm max. 'Kier Hardy' shows in his YouTube film that the space between the frames is 21.26mm which should give enough space to fit P4 wheel sets. The weight diagrams for Classes 08/09/10/11 have been published in 'A Pictorial Record Of The Diesel Shunter' (Colin Marsden/OPC), the wheel spacing is the same for all four and both Brassmasters and Bill Bedford do nice coupling rods for them.
Still not convince about actually buying this model, I've got so many Bachmann 08/09 in stock. Annoying.
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On 21/02/2024 at 17:30, PenrithBeacon said:
Does anyone know the axle diameter please? AGW does a 3'-11" wheel for P4/EM and I'm wondering if it might fit.
It turns out the the axles on Heljan's model are 2mm diameter so conversion to EM/P4 using AGW wheels is pretty much out.
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On 23/02/2024 at 17:01, Enterprisingwestern said:
Converting one to a proper gauge!;
Mike.
Thanks for video and I have liked and subscribed. It sort of answers the question I posed earlier in that, yes it is possible to convert to EM/P4 but only if you have a lathe. It is clear from the video that the axles are not 1/8" or 3mm and so the AGW 3'-11" wheels will not do.
Thanks for that, I won't be buying the model. but my best wishes to those who do.
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Does anyone know the axle diameter please? AGW does a 3'-11" wheel for P4/EM and I'm wondering if it might fit.
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I've been waiting for this. In my experience Bachmann locos are fairly simple to convert to P4 which is a great advantage for me. Accurascale seems to put obstacles in the way 🙃
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Is there enough space for EM/P4 wheels, please 🐈⬛
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I think it's a question of what do feel is right for you and how much you can afford anyway. Added to that is whether the seller will accept returns and the quality of the item. I always set a bid which is my valuation and make it a rule not to engage in a bidding war. An unbuilt item I will offer less for.
Having said that, my valuations are often for less than others are prepared to pay. Last week I lost in bids for 2 D&S wagons which went for huge sums. Both could have been scratch built in Plasticard in less than 5 hours,which is weird.
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Is it designed to be converted to EM/P4?
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Boilers were very different. The 2P was the same as the 4F (although I'm pretty certain they weren't interchangable) but the 4P Compound was a lot larger.
The RCTS book on LMS boilers will give chapter and verse
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Now that SPV has closed I'm at a loss to know where to look for North American railway/railroad dvds in the UK
Can anyone help?
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4 hours ago, LMS2968 said:
There were originally two turntables at Exchange (see map). I'm not sure that this counts as an LNWR engine on the platform end one counts, though! In any case, it was removed to allow the platforms to be lengthened. The second one was at the 'back of Exchange' and shows up on the signallin diagrams both pre- and post-1929 resignalling. The track layout hadn't altered so it's reasonable to assume the pits are still there too.
The turntable in the top right was part of the LYR locomotive servicing at Victoria. It too was modified, but retained in different position during the 1929 resignalling.
I would beware quoting British Railways Illustrated without verification elsewhere 😉
https://maps.nls.uk/view/126522809
https://maps.nls.uk/view/126522812
Top link c1915, bottom c1931
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On 10/03/2023 at 16:55, The Stationmaster said:
There were actually two lots of GWR Running {pOwers into teh Manchester area both being in herited from the GWR becomong one of the joint owners, with the LNWR, of the Birkenhead Railway.
The Powers which were exercised were between Walton Jcn and 'Manchester' (a precise location is not noted by the RCH in the list of Running Powers but there was a GWR goods depot - so I understand, in the vicinity of Liverpool Road ex L&M station. The GWR in fact in the late 19th century was running a nightly 'goods' train from Paddingto to Manchester via that route plus of course the passenger service to Manchester which ran until WW2. The Summer 1938 GWR STT shows two GWR 'Express Goods' trains from Chester to Liverpool r Road running daily with the passenger service shown as 'Joint' so no dubt some trains operated by one company or the other as GWR engines were a regular sight at Manchester Exchange..
The route over which the GWR did not exercise its inherited Running Powers - and the one to which the LNWR objected was from Warrington to Timperley Jcn (which MacDermott notes as 'to Manchester via Timperley Jcn. Whether the GWR actually ever tried to exercise their Powers over this route I din't know but they certainly weren't doing so by the 1930s
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I cannot find any indication of a GW goods station in Manchester either on OS maps or the RCH junction diagram for Manchester, please see the link above. Although I haven't been able to absolutely verify from WTT that the GW (my copies, which were photographs of TNA documents, disappeared during a change of computer) had its own goods facility in Manchester it seems to be a sensible assumption that it would use Liverpool Road.
I have explained above why the LNW wanted to limit the GW's access to Manchester to Exchange rather than London Road. It was simply a question of capacity on the MSJ&A between Castleford Junction and London Road. Then, as now, it's an issue. Then, as now, the line couldn't be quadrupled. The LNWR was spending a fortune on by-passing Manchester for freight during the late 1850 to mid 1860s period and didn't want the GWR (or MS&L for that matter) intruding. It's all documented at TNA if you have the time.
After Ordsal Lane was closed in 1904 the site was re-purposed as a wagon repair workshop but locomotive servicing facilities were built. These comprised of a turntable, pits and watering facilities. These remained well into the 1960s and could be viewed as trains passed by. The locomotive servicing facilities at Exchange were removed during the changes caused by the Deal St to Victoria signalling/track remodeling work of 1929. There is a lovely photo of a GWR 2-4-0 on this turntable taken before WW1, but I don't know of a photo an LNWR locomotive on it.
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42 minutes ago, woodenhead said:
And Patricroft later I understood, didn't Ordsall Lane close around 1904/5 when Patricroft was expanded further - the initial build in 1884 not being big enough to close Ordsall Lane.
Yes it did close as an engine shed in 1904, but the servicing facilities stayed in use well into the 1960s when it closed completely.
I wouldn't care to say that the GW locos didn't use Patricroft after 1904 but all the photos I've seen are of them at Ordsall Lane even those taken after 1904.
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The GW and LNW jointly owned the Birkenhead Railway. As part of that arrangement the GW had running rights into Manchester from Chester. The GW wanted those rights to be to London Road but the LNW didn't want more traffic over the elevated section of the MSJ&AR in Central Manchester so they agreed that the rights would run to Exchange instead. GW locos were serviced at Ordsall Lane and GW trains to Manchester were withdrawn in 1941.
The GW did have an office in Manchester but I can't remember where it was.
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1 hour ago, didcot said:
Just a thought, why not dcc instead of radio control?
I know that DCC has many adherents who swear by it. To me it's just another layer of complication.
With RC there's no power to the rails, so no cleaning of rails and tyres and none of the maintenance overhead underneath boards. The controllers are simpler and as power is 3.7v and the electronics are rated at 6 or 12v no chance of burning stuff out.
I like the KISS principle, RC does that for me.
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5 hours ago, PaulRhB said:
It’s possible with something like the deltang micro receivers but you’d need to put the battery in the cab and hide it with crew as there’s not much room inside the tank.
Yep pretty sure that the Deltang/Micron Rx will be OK because they're much the same size of the DCC stuff. The query was about being able to fit a charging socket and DPDT switch needed for RC because the model is so small. I'd be surprised if it's possible.
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Just thinking about radio control! Does anyone who has one of these locos think there's enough space to fit a charging socket and a switch? 🤪
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11 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:
I went with the IPA mentioned by @PenrithBeacon. Cleaned up well. I was even able to get the wheels out and back in with no issues.
Added oil, then checked directions. Accidentally oiled the hornblocks. How much of an issue will that be in the long run?
Can't be sure because I haven't taken mine apart. But I always use Singer oil because I can be sure that it too won't rot plastic
'Singer' Oil Lubricant for The Mechanical Parts of Appliances https://amzn.eu/d/c3gRyiL
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15 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:
WD40 is corrosive to plastic.
GT85 Multi-purpose PTFE Spray Lubricant Penetrant and Water Displacer 400ml https://amzn.eu/d/iz4T9sL
I use this in stead of WD40. For cleaning up grease I use IPA
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WD40 is corrosive to plastic.
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HELJAN UNVEILS ‘OO’ GAUGE 25/3 AND ‘ETHEL’ FOR 2019
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Has anybody tried converting one of these to P4 using AGW wheels?