PenrithBeacon

11 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

I went with the IPA mentioned by @PenrithBeacon.  Cleaned up well.  I was even able to get the wheels out and back in with no issues.

 

Added oil, then checked directions.  Accidentally oiled the hornblocks.   How much of an issue will that be in the long run?

Can't be sure because I haven't taken mine apart. But I always use Singer oil because I can be sure that it too won't rot plastic

'Singer' Oil Lubricant for The Mechanical Parts of Appliances https://amzn.eu/d/c3gRyiL

15 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

WD40 is corrosive to plastic. 

GT85 Multi-purpose PTFE Spray Lubricant Penetrant and Water Displacer 400ml https://amzn.eu/d/iz4T9sL

I use this in stead of WD40. For cleaning up grease I use IPA

WD40 is corrosive to plastic. 

Sorry to be picky, but I'm pretty sure the Fallowfield loop closed in 1988. Stations closed in 1959 (?)

Doesn't Judith Edge do one  or is it a different prototype 

https://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge.html

The carbon monoxide from the diesel exhausts might just stop the engines working. In US there is at least one tunnel which has to be purged with fresh air after a train has passed 

1 hour ago, Reorte said:

Yeah, that seems an odd one. I believe it was the narrow bores of the old tunnels that were part of the reasons it got so unpleasant, with hard-working steam locos with heavy loads. Even with lingering diesel fumes but in a completely enclosed cab in a new tunnel, surely no worse than what we still have in tunnels up and down the country, which is generally of no issue at all on the local scale as far as I know (says someone who doesn't drive trains through them mind you).

14 hours ago, dasatcopthorne said:

 

Just scroll down a little bit.

 

Dave.

I think we're at cross purposes.  I quoted the UK Model Shops site which hasn't been updated with detail of layouts and traders. 

21 hours ago, Ian Morgan said:

 

That looks to be up to date.

 

Latest information should be here:

 

https://www.basingstokemrs.org/exhibition-2023.html

 

 

 

Sorry I was expecting a list of layouts and traders. Doesn't really matter to me I'll be attending, all being well, anyway. 

https://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/event/23594-BasingstokeNorthHantsModelRailwaySociety_Exhibition

Very much a fan of this show, is this due for an update?

5 hours ago, stivesnick said:

Went today - great show as usual with good quality layouts. The hall appeared very busy.

 

Minor niggles: the show had run out of show guides by lunchtime (sign of how busy it was) and many of the hall lights were not working.

 

Nick 

 

 

They had also run out of food in the refreshment room. Not good.

On 14/02/2023 at 14:28, Captain Kernow said:

I had a look at a friend's Ferryvan at the club last night and the wheels seemed to be the usual 3-hole disc ones, even if the prototype scaled out at 13mm rather than 12.5mm.

 

I will try fitting either some AG 12.5mm 3-hole disc or the Exactoscale equivalent. I'm also thinking about making enough room for some springing units behind the Rapido axle guards.

 

If you do decide to spring these I'd be grateful if you published it here. I've long since given up on compensating/springing RTR wagons non of the available systems seem to work too well. 

My only experience of fitting Shawplan windows was in one of my Bachmann 08 models. I used Crystal Clear as recommended by Shawplan.

There are lots of videos on YouTube on the topic of fitting model aircraft canopies which might help

I have two of these sitting downstairs still in their boxes, so I'm taking a keen interest in the discussion re P4. 

From what I can see the choice is AGW 4800/1 Warship 3'-2" 2mm axle disc or 4002 3'-1.5" 3 hole disc wheels 2mm axle. So if you go for the Warship wheels you need to drill holes perhaps?

It'll be interesting how the issue of compensation turns out.

No programs when I arrived at 1245 on Sunday. Tough! Ever so crowded, not comfortable with that especially when I was bounced almost off my feet by an aggressive Herbert who was just boring his way through.  Not good. Decided to have a break while folk went home for Sunday lunch it was better afterwards.

I have come to the conclusion that Warner's formula for exhibitions attracts huge crowds but the shows are a lot less friendly than local club shows. Don't know why, just seems that way.

The layouts were fine, bit difficult to see quite often because of the crush and by the time that had subsided I was too tired to care much. Port Solway was wonderful as was Scout Green but the standard was very high generally. Traders, too much of the same really and seriously missing Eileen's and Wizard. Squires is not a good enough substitute for the former and the latter just leaves a hole generally.

I bought a few bits, a cab ride dvd and a nameplate for a Ruston amongst them but then made my way home all 164 miles of it.

I think Warner's have their virtues but they're for a younger generation than me and those who took their grandchildren deserve a medal but they might not want to do it again. 

If you read through the threads below you'll get some ideas

1 hour ago, rapidoandy said:

[...]

P4 - EM etc. So our policy here at Rapido is that if we can make something work for the finescales without costing us any more money then we will do so. Our wagons are a good example of that (Scalefour News has an article on our SECR opens and the ease of conversion). I also speak to various people who model using said standards to seek advice etc.

 

However, if its going to cost us money, or mean we have to design it completely differently to accommodate the tiny percentage that use these standards then we cant do it. Its just economics. Our big survey we did a couple of years ago showed less than 2% of people were working to any finescale 

[...]

Ok I suppose although this modeller will take note and not buy any further Rapido locomotives. 

Way back in the 1960s as a junior draughtsman I was taught that to reduce the component count was good because it reduced costs and to simplify design was essential because it too reduced costs.

The designer of this product doesn't seem to be aware of these concepts but the the designers of Bachmann and Hornby products do with unintended beneficial knock on effects for modellers like me.

Enough of that, I'll take your hint and move on.

Regards 

3 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

 

Well, having examined the parts drawing in the manual, I'm very sorry indeed to say that it looks like the construction is fundamentally the same as the Model Rail 16XX.

 

There seems to be a large metal casting that comprises the saddle tank and also houses the motor and comprises the firebox sides, amongst others. There does NOT appear to be any separate firebox components.

 

My initial conclusion, with regard to putting one of Mike's chassis under it, is that it would be like the 16XX, i other words, far too much work for it to be a practical consideration. The body components (large metal weight just described, saddle tank, cab etc.) would have to be completely dismantled, in order to separate them from the footplate. You would then have to either provide your own firebox sides (and match the livery of the rest of the loco) and probably cut the large metal weight about and then re-assembled it, in order to have a body that can easily be detached from an etched chassis.

 

Speaking with my P4 hat on (as opposed to my OO hat), I have previously described the design of the 16XX and it's 'innards' as an abomination. I'm not seeing much to dissuade me of that view with regards to this loco, either.

 

Rapido - some of your contemporaries can manage to design and produce a high-spec 0-6-0 tank loco, where you can just unscrew some screws and the body comes off nice and cleanly. Why not you?

 

I haven't measured the axle diameter on mine yet, but PMP's photo seems to indicate something smaller than 1/8" or even 3mm, hopefully that's wrong and substituting Alan Gibson wheels, with their 1/8" axles, can be done easily.

 

I initially thought I might convert one of these to P4, when they were first announced, but once I saw how the 16XX was put together, I hedged my bets and ordered some AG wheels for my Judith Edge kit. If I had built that when I first bought it, it would have been an OO loco, but now it's going to be P4.

 

However, speaking with my OO hat on, this is a lovely loco and if the running qualities can be improved with some running in, I find it absolutely lovely.

 

I have found the coreless motor in my Hunslet doesn't like my AMR slow-speed (DC) controller, which I use for virtually all my other locos (including one or two that do have coreless motors). This means that, assuming my Hunslet goes forward to be a regular loco on 'Bethesda Sidings', I will have to remember to switch controllers when using it. Not a huge deal, as there is a Gaugemaster panel-mounted controller also wired into the control panel, but a little vexatious nevertheless.

 

Sorry if the above sounds rather negative, but I'm finding Rapido a supplier of contrasts, when it comes to P4 conversions. These first two steam locos (16XX and Hunslet) are almost unconvertable, if you are wanting to put an etched chassis, whereas the steam-age rolling stock (eg. the SE&CR opens) are a dream to convert.

 

Oh dear, that's a blow. Perhaps I'll just put it to one side and let it accumulate eBay £. From hero to zero in 9 hours or so 😫

On 29/01/2023 at 13:53, PenrithBeacon said:

Yesterday I received an email from Rails saying that mine had been posted. I really can't remember ordering one (which isn't the same as saying it isn't welcome). The money has gone out of my account and I note that AGW does appropriate wheels for P4. All of which is good; pleased.

Received  mine this morning, ever so good, really pleased. 

I bit more research in the AGW catalogue shows that the wheels are 4844 3'8" 12 spoke I/L, and the wheelbase is 5' 9" + 5' 3" so rods could be 4M121 for the WD 2-8-0 although they might be a bit chunky and need a bit of filing to reduce their height. 

I note from an earlier post that  Judith Edge could be persuaded to make the chassis of her complete kit available, what's not to like?

Most of the tests were to do with the overhead. It used to be a standing joke about how easy it was to bring it down!

Never saw a Deltic in Manchester and anyway the production ones were too late for Styal line testing.

Why would you put  DE on a line to test the overhead? Doesn't make sense to me.

I agree with others about the suitability of the Styal loop for high speed running. From personal experience the passenger would get jogged about even on a dmu suburban service. 

Yesterday I received an email from Rails saying that mine had been posted. I really can't remember ordering one (which isn't the same as saying it isn't welcome). The money has gone out of my account and I note that AGW does appropriate wheels for P4. All of which is good; pleased.

1 hour ago, Oldddudders said:

No - it's for Lamb's Conduit Street.

There's a nice pub in that street. 

12 hours ago, J. S. Bach said:

What is this one? I do not recognize it. It is quite an interesting design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Dragonfly#

Thinking about an EM/ P4 conversion, are the wheels actually powered by the coupling rods or are the rods cosmetic and the wheels powered by a gearbox?

I model in P4.

I have found that I can't build wagon kits square enough for them to run unless they're compensated. RTR wagons are fine because they're square as bought and are a serious pita to compensate. 

I use 3 point compensation because it's simpler than springs and at least as good. Use MJT compensation units, they're better than the S4Soc ones.

Mansplaining done.