RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2015 I have these whitemetal wagon castings but can't identify them. I think that they might be of Great Northern Railway or LNER prototype. The top left one would seem to need half planking added. Seems odd to have been cast like this. Can anybody help please? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi John, Several possible makers for these - Late 60's or early 70's I think. Do you have any packaging at all? Top left is a Cattle van - possibly Midland or LMS - you had to add wire across the inside to complete the sides. Top right is a Van - doors make me think NE type. Bottom is a Fruit Van - Looks like another NE type. Not sure which make but could be from different manufacturer:-. Sutherland, Cotswold, K's, Nucast all spring to mind. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Top row looks like a D&S GER cattle wagon and van, the one below is probably a Cotswold/Sutherland HR meat van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I am pretty certain the first one is not a D&S GER cattle van, indeed I don't think it is any cattle van at all. I can't recall any cattle van that had full height cross bracing, and in this case the door would also be full height with no drop flap for the animals to use. The style of this, and the third, kit is reminiscent of the old MWC range, which was one of the first to supply etched w irons, rather than casting them with the sides, as per the second one. At least one of their genuine cattle vans came with no boards cast where there were several with gaps between, which made casting difficult. Instead your were given precut lengths of plastic sheet, which had to be glued to the inside of the framing. I wonder if this is some ventilated van, in which the plastic strips would form the ventilated section. Although the third kit could be a Highland van, there are probably lots of other equally likely candidates, and the Cotswold kit I have is moulded in plastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 If you added slats to the upper sides of that "cattle wagon" it would look very much like a GCR fish van: http://www.mousa.biz/sevenmm/wagons/gcr_wagons7.html Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted June 25, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2015 Many thanks all. They are fairly ancient and a trifle crude, but the suggestions are very helpful. Much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 25, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2015 The top right one could well be a GW one from the period before flat crossbracing on the ends was replaced by angle iron bracing. The sides look very GW. Could it be ABS/4most? The roof profile of the lower one is very curved, should be a clue. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 If you added slats to the upper sides of that "cattle wagon" it would look very much like a GCR fish van: http://www.mousa.biz/sevenmm/wagons/gcr_wagons7.html Jim D&S GCR fish van ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I am pretty certain the first one is not a D&S GER cattle van, indeed I don't think it is any cattle van at all. I can't recall any cattle van that had full height cross bracing, and in this case the door would also be full height with no drop flap for the animals to use. The style of this, and the third, kit is reminiscent of the old MWC range, which was one of the first to supply etched w irons, rather than casting them with the sides, as per the second one. At least one of their genuine cattle vans came with no boards cast where there were several with gaps between, which made casting difficult. Instead your were given precut lengths of plastic sheet, which had to be glued to the inside of the framing. I wonder if this is some ventilated van, in which the plastic strips would form the ventilated section. Although the third kit could be a Highland van, there are probably lots of other equally likely candidates, and the Cotswold kit I have is moulded in plastic! To honest, these castings are bit too square to be MWC ! You're right about Cotswold wagons having plastic bodies and I'm now wondering if the lower one is a D&S NER perishables / fish van of some description. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted June 25, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2015 Top row right hand side looks very much like a D&S GER van, of which I have built two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscarne Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'd agree that top right is a D&S Great Eastern 10t Van. There were two versions, unfitted with 4 shoe brakes and fitted with 8 shoe clasp brakes. Inage of the prototype here http://ukrailways1970tilltoday.me.uk/wagons.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted September 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2015 Thanks again chaps. I've now found the instructions for two of them! And the plain sided one is one of these: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1263/entry-11025-lner-fish-trains/ LNER diagram 143 Going up on Ebay as they're two old a period for me. Hoping that the D & S 'desirability magic' works to help pay for all those lovely 'must haves' coming out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You don't say what your period is, but the van could be used on quite a late period layout http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoveredmerchandise/e3f5969fb http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoveredmerchandise/e389c994a http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoveredmerchandise/e38d4b11e Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted October 2, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2015 Thanks Paul. Very informative. It's amazing that such things survived for so long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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