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Lovely to see such unusual models, in EM too. I have only just spotted the mention of the Denny fretsaw machine. Here it is in all its pre-war glory. He bought it for 18 Guineas in 1937 or 17 Guineas in 1938. I can't recall which way round it was. A lot of money back then but he got every penny worth out of it.

 

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Also a snap of some scrap that came to me, showing how he pinned metal to Bristol Board/Hardboard to allow him to cut it with coarser blades. You can make out loco shaped bits. I may have to try to work out which loco they are from one day.

 

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Would you believe that my bedtime reading this very evening included 'Buckingham Great Central' ?! The legendary Hobbies fretsaw is even more old-fashioned than I thought as I always pictured it as having some sort of art deco 1930s styling, forgetting just how archaic many pre-war items were - did the job though !

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I still use it from time to time, especially if I need a cut that the frame of my hand saw is too small for.

 

It does rattle a bit now! Maybe it always did.

 

It snaps fine blades for fun, which is why the trick with the board was used to create an artificial thicker material and allow more substantial blades to be used.

 

Glad to hear you have been reading up on the old layout!

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What strikes me from seeing the scrap pieces from 'Buckingham' is how neat they are and a real testament to just what a skilled craftsman Peter Denny was - even his discarded scrap is  still inspirational !

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Lots of progress tonight. Well, lots by my indolent standards. I've trimmed the firebox on No.7 and added some strengthening strips along the lower edges to make a nice solid job. As a result, the body and chassis now fit together again and I can make a start on the cab and the tender. As for the putative No. 20, a rummage in the stores produced not only the requisite double buffer beam intended for the Beyer-Peacock kitbash, but a passable chimney and dome, another set of safety valves and, would you believe it, an M&CR cab front ! I originally made this for No.7 from plans for 0-4-2 No.4, which has a narrower cab and by coincidence, it's spot on for No.20. I'll obviously still need to cut it away to accommodate the rear splashers but this has saved rather a lot of work and wear & tear on my increasingly painful arthritic hands. I'll probably fill the large space on No. 20's boiler where the GWR dome was fitted and return to both of them tomorrow - I work 0.8 wte and tomorrow is my weekday off  and whilst this is usually a gardening day, it looks like more rain is forecast !

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12 hours ago, CKPR said:

What strikes me from seeing the scrap pieces from 'Buckingham' is how neat they are and a real testament to just what a skilled craftsman Peter Denny was - even his discarded scrap is  still inspirational !

 

That was just what I thought and why I have kept them. The fretsaw machine is a fantastic bit of kit that involves great hand, eye and foot coordination but when somebody had as much practice as Peter Denny did, it really is a joy to use and cutting neatly like that is still possible. I cut some valances for a 7mm loco on it and the edge only needed a touch with a file afterwards to clean it up.

 

 

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Been at the workbench today and it's past the point of no return with No.20 as she's lost her buffer beam, steps,  much of her valences and smokebox front. together with the odd handrail or two.I've just soldered up the buffer beam to new brass overlays for the cut down valences and nearly completed a new smokebox front - no photographs for now as its all too much of a mess at this stage !

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No. 7 and No.20 (or maybe No.6 ?)  at the close of play this evening - No. 20 now has a new smokebox front, buffer beam and valences and has had the large hole in her boiler filled. This brings both engines to a similar state of completion and I can build them in unison from here onwards. In reality, these two engines were both built and rebuilt at Maryport and despite their very different pedigrees in model form, I am discerning a distinct family likeness, which I'm taking as indicating that I'm on the right lines.

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On 19/06/2020 at 19:46, CKPR said:

No. 7 and No.20 (or maybe No.6 ?)  at the close of play this evening - No. 20 now has a new smokebox front, buffer beam and valences and has had the large hole in her boiler filled. This brings both engines to a similar state of completion and I can build them in unison from here onwards. In reality, these two engines were both built and rebuilt at Maryport and despite their very different pedigrees in model form, I am discerning a distinct family likeness, which I'm taking as indicating that I'm on the right lines.

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Hi CKPR,

 

Would it be possible for you to take the photos with your back to the light please?  The back lighting of the subject makes the detail impossible to appreciate.

 

Ian.

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On 13/01/2020 at 10:48, Compound2632 said:

I'm inclined to think that the Sou'-West's shed being off M&C metals may have had some influence too - the 0-4-2s and 2-4-0s have something Stirlingesque about them.

 

On 13/01/2020 at 10:57, CKPR said:

Indeed and it probably  goes both ways as Hugh Smellie worked for the M&CR before he went to the G&SWR  to succeed James Stirling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Smellie .

 


That Wikipedia article is pretty basic. Before he went to the M&CR, Smellie had been employed in the Kilmarnock works of the G&SWR for 14 years, rising to works manager in succession to James Stirling when Stirling became locomotive superintendent. So it isn’t too much of a surprise that there are strong ‘Stirling’ influences in M&CR engines.

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9 hours ago, [email protected] said:

Would it be possible for you to take the photos with your back to the light please?  The back lighting of the subject makes the detail impossible to appreciate.

 

That's very kind as you're presuming there's actually some detail to appreciate...expect an update (with better photos)  at the end of the week when I've hopefully made further progress with the very Stirling-esque cabs

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On 13/01/2020 at 18:48, Compound2632 said:

 

I'm inclined to think that the Sou'-West's shed being off M&C metals may have had some influence too - the 0-4-2s and 2-4-0s have something Stirlingesque about them.

Carlisle Currock didn't open until 1895, the G&SW had other unsatisfactory arrangements to the south of the city prior to that.  By that time the G&SW was in the Manson era, 0-4-2s and domeless boilers were of the past.  The G&SW only allowed Hugh Smellie a wee loan period at the M&C, he was essentially a Kilmarnock man, steeped in the traditions of the Stirling brothers.

 

Alan

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It just shows how parochial we can be in our interests as my knowledge of the G&SW is very sketchy despite it having a major presence in Carlisle, the link with the M&CR and, rather shamefully, my own Scots ancestry on my mum's side. Mind you, my dad's family came over from the Netherlands in the 17th century and my knowledge of the pre-NS HSM is nil...

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