F-UnitMad Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2861735 I am in the process of 'improving' a Weaver Geep, to represent this CSX machine; #2810, still in YN2, linked to above. That's about the best overhead view I can find of it on the web; my question is concerning the cab roof details - what are they?? I know the long thin thing at the middle/ rear is a radio antenna, but what type? (Not 'firecracker' I assume.) Then over the Fireman's side what's the round thing with a black pipe (conduit?) out the back? I'm a bit stuck as without the proper names for these bits, an internet search for better, close-up pics of them is a bit futile, & the details listings of shops like P&D & Des Plaines don't tend to put up pictures, so you need to know the exact name of the part to order the correct bit - if it's available! Otherwise a bit of scratch-bodging will be required, hence a need for better pictures!!! Help!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Those white cab roofs aren't helpful for detail pics are they!Towards the back in the middle is what i'd call a "skate" antenna (looks a bit like an ice skate) - I think the locals would call it a Sinclair - try Details West RA274Above the engineers numberboard is a smaller similar one, you could try RA275, but it may look a bit chunky in that location?In the middle of the conductors side is a small dome, try GP321 - not sure you'll need all the parts but the enclosed dome and the conduit look applicable.Google Details West and those part numbers to see images of the parts, hope that helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thanks Martin! Re part #'s, I should've made it clearer this is in O Scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thanks Martin! Re part #'s, I should've made it clearer this is in O Scale. DOH! Sorry for assuming! Who makes O parts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 https://www.tmrdistributing.com/presta/index.php?id_product=8008&controller=product- cut one down for the short one? For the GPS dome, look at the HO one for inspiration, and scratchbuild? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Ah, it's a GPS Dome! Yes I'm not averse to making the bits myself, it's just getting better references to work from, hence knowing what they are in the first place!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdboxcar Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The small antenna above the number board is a sinclair antenna, made by Sinclair. The larger similar antenna in the centre rear of the cab is a STI-CO 220MHz antenna. The piece of domes and conduit is GPS equipment, cannot remember the manufacturer, may be early STI-CO. The latter 2 parts are all for PTC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP9u Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Des Plaines Hobbies and P&D Hobby are the best online sources I've found for detail parts. Brands to look for include Cal Scale, Miniatures by Eric, Detail Associates, PSC, Irish Tracklayer, Details West as mentioned above, etc. Des Plaines took over one or more of these lines to start off their O Scale America detail parts line, can't remember which, sorry. http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/category/23/71/O-Scale-Detail-Parts/ http://pdhobbyshop.com/show_manufacturer.php?category=Trains&sub_category=%26quot%3BO%26quot%3B%20Scale%202%20Rail&sub_sub_category=Detailing%20Parts http://pdhobbyshop.com/show_products.php?category=Trains&sub_category=%26quot%3BO%26quot%3B%20Scale%202%20Rail&sub_sub_category=Detailing%20Parts&manufacturer=Miniatures%20by%20Eric If you want modern comnplete cab roof "antenna farms", Bill Davis of American Scale Models sells them made up and painted (I think they're over-supply from Overland). Not sure if he sells online but I have seen them at shows. http://americanscalemodels.com/O/O_DETAIL_PARTS/O_Diesel_Parts HTH Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Interesting how subtle the weathering is, usual light grime for trucks and fuel tank. But look at the hood door hinges, is that white paint or some type of grease on the hinges. It would be a very easy addition on a model (particularly O gauge) also note the nose appears to have had a partial repaint, missing just the battery box and an area on the side of the nose. Also showing traces of blue on the roof just behind the cab and on the fans. Just need to find a CSX GP38-2 now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 From other pics I found of 2810, it used to have some kind of square tank or box on top of the battery box, in front of the driver's window. Seems to me the 'rough' yellow paint is a quick touch up once the box was removed, which also seems to have involved replacement of the top of the battery cover, as that panel is grey & shows signs of mig welding around the edges. I assume the top cover of the air filter is off a YN3 loco possibly?, as it's blue rather than grey. Can anyone tell me why the front side panels to the battery boxes have a slot along them near the top? The one one the other side is the same. Even between pics of this loco taken in 2011 & 2013 there are differences! I think my model will represent it as it was on June 31st, 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I expect the missing box on the nose was once a cab signalling kit box , as used on former PRR lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It's a former Conrail loco, so the cab signalling box is very likely.The slotted battery boxes were a Chessie feature, presumably to do with ventilation? Many (most? all?) Chessie 2nd gen EMDs seemed to have the feature. Presume they have been swapped in from another loco as they aren't a Conrail feature! Looking at rrpicturearchives it looks like they were added circa 2007? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It's a former Conrail loco, so the cab signalling box is very likely. The slotted battery boxes were a Chessie feature, presumably to do with ventilation? Many (most? all?) Chessie 2nd gen EMDs seemed to have the feature. Presume they have been swapped in from another loco as they aren't a Conrail feature! Looking at rrpicturearchives it looks like they were added circa 2007? This photo shows the cab signalling box and non-slotted battery box covers. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1341440 and again in YN2 in 2006 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=364681 and Feb 2007 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=666223 by Aug 2007 the cab signalling box was gone and the slotted battery box cover was there http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=844605 Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Note that the cab signalling boxes were for use on the Pennsylvania Railroad main lines. These lines went to PC, meaning that some PC new builds and some former NYC locos got them. PC was absorbed into Conrail, so some Conrail new builds got them. When Conrail was split between NS and CSX in 1999, the former PRR lines went to NS, so CSX no longer needed the cab signal boxes. Some NS locos still have them. There are two main styles of box - one with two straps and a longer one with three straps. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 This looks like an orginal Chessie heritage unit not a former CR - look at the slot in the battery box. Unless of course there has been some swapping of parts.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm beginning to realise how deep into unfamiliar waters I'm getting with this loco... all those Foreign names for a start Chessie, Conrail, Penn Central, NYC, NS.... ??? All I needed to know before was SOO, Milwaukee (as in 'Ex'), CP Rail and Wisconsin Central... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Even between pics of this loco taken in 2011 & 2013 there are differences! I think my model will represent it as it was on June 31st, 2012. And not 29th February 2013? or 1st April 2016? After all, comedy modelling is timeless and has its place here as well as there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 This looks like an orginal Chessie heritage unit not a former CR - look at the slot in the battery box. Unless of course there has been some swapping of parts.... If you follow the history back in the images it was ex Conrail, and didn't have the slotted doors till 2007... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 If you follow the history back in the images it was ex Conrail, and didn't have the slotted doors till 2007... Some parts have been swapped then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'm beginning to realise how deep into unfamiliar waters I'm getting with this loco... all those Foreign names for a start Chessie, Conrail, Penn Central, NYC, NS.... ??? All I needed to know before was SOO, Milwaukee (as in 'Ex'), CP Rail and Wisconsin Central... Here is the primer on those (and related lines) in a simplistic form and leaving out a bunch of minor (and not so minor*) players: Adrian *like the rest of the constituents of CR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just to see how many mergers/acquisitions NS has been involved in, see their heritage livered locos. I count 21 plus the current livery. It's been said many times before, pictures of you're chosen loco at the time you model are the only real way of getting it right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 DL&W Erie became Erie Lackawanna PRR NYC became PC PC Erie Lackawanna CNJ LV RDG Monongahela became Conrail CofG Interstate Norfolk Southern Savannah and Atlanta were part of the Southern system Illinois Terminal NYC&StL (NKP) Wabash Virginian were part of the N&W system Bold names are the NS heritage units. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Duluth S Shore & Atlantic plus Minneaplolis St Paul & Sault Ste Marie (SOO) plus Wisconsin Central (old) = SOO (1961) Chicago Milwaukee St Paul & Pacific plus SOO = SOO (1986) Minneapolis Northfield & Southern plus SOO = SOO (1982) WC spun off from SOO 1987 Green Bay & Western plus Algoma Central plus WC = WC (1995) WC plus CN = CN (2001) SOO plus CP = CP (1990) Dakota Minnesota & Eastern plus Delaware & Hudson plus CP = CP (2008) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Duluth S Shore & Atlantic plus Minneaplolis St Paul & Sault Ste Marie (SOO) plus Wisconsin Central (old) = SOO (1961) Chicago Milwaukee St Paul & Pacific plus SOO = SOO (1986) Minneapolis Northfield & Southern plus SOO = SOO (1982) WC spun off from SOO 1987 Green Bay & Western plus Algoma Central plus WC = WC (1995) WC plus CN = CN (2001) SOO plus CP = CP (1990) Dakota Minnesota & Eastern plus Delaware & Hudson plus CP = CP (2008) I could have told you that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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