paul 27 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 May be I should have rephrased it and said which type of cranes would be seen apart from the Gorton one, any links or pictures shown in the area during the sixties steam era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 As good as it looks, there will be compromises to allow an operational jib and hook. However, I wonder how many times this feature will be used and will it, in the end, turn out to be an expensive gimmick? Will modellers wish that Bachmann had foregone the need for operation, ignored the compromises and produced the definitive vehicle, at a reduced cost? After all, it will spend almost all of its life in a siding, just looking good. Alternatively, Bachmann could have gone the whole hog and included a giraffe's head that ducked down as it went under a bridge. 2 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 19 hours ago, paul 27 said: May be I should have rephrased it and said which type of cranes would be seen apart from the Gorton one, any links or pictures shown in the area during the sixties steam era. Hi Paul, Here are a few examples that I have managed to dig up, Newton Heath's crane between 1965-79 was the LNER/SR/MOS Ramsome Rapier that had previously been at Gorton Between 1943-61 and also a BR Std 30ton from 1964-68. Holbeck's cranes were a Ransome Rapier ex LMS 36/40 ton between 1939-78 with a Craven 25 ton from 1960-61. Longsight had a BR Std 30 ton between 1965-73. Wigan had a Ransome Rapier LMS 30 ton from 1962-65 followed by a BR Std 30 ton from 1967-68. Wakefield had an LNER 45 ton bogie crane 1966-67. Gibbo. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 23 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Paul, Here are a few examples that I have managed to dig up, Newton Heath's crane between 1965-79 was the LNER/SR/MOS Ramsome Rapier that had previously been at Gorton Between 1943-61 and also a BR Std 30ton from 1964-68. Holbeck's cranes were a Ransome Rapier ex LMS 36/40 ton between 1939-78 with a Craven 25 ton from 1960-61. Longsight had a BR Std 30 ton between 1965-73. Wigan had a Ransome Rapier LMS 30 ton from 1962-65 followed by a BR Std 30 ton from 1967-68. Wakefield had an LNER 45 ton bogie crane 1966-67. Gibbo. Newton Heath's crane was RS1083/45, R&R 4991 of 1942. Tare weight 105.4.1, Max speed 45 MPH. Holbeck's crane was DE331159, ex LMS RS1004. Built R&R 1931 as 36T and later upgraded to 40T. Longsight's 30T crane was RS1090, CS 1961. Springs Branch had RS1087/30 of 1961. The Wakefield crane was DE330107, built CS 1926, later at Healey Mills 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Model Store Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Sorry, I need information if possible please. I'm planning on buying the early black version of the crane, would 'York' or 'Middlesbrough' of had one these ? and if so what number etc please. Sorry if its been asked before Edited December 9, 2019 by AGR Model Store Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Rails of Sheffield have just posted in Facebook that the cranes have arrived at Bachmann and are due in stock with them in the next 7 days. 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 hours ago, AGR Model Store said: Sorry, I need information if possible please. I'm planning on buying the early black version of the crane, would 'York' or 'Middlesbrough' of had one these ? and if so what number etc please. Sorry if its been asked before No, neither York nor Middlesborough ever had an R&R 45 tonner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Model Store Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 12 hours ago, craneman said: No, neither York nor Middlesborough ever had an R&R 45 tonner. Any in the north east area ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, AGR Model Store said: Any in the north east area ? To be honest if you want a decent breakdown crane on your layout that is ready to run think this one will be the only option for many years. Personally I would have preferred a cowens sheldon but I'm going with the Bachmann one 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Duno if one was used much between Brighton and Portsmouth in the 40s but it's sure gonna be used here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Hi Folks, Here is a link and two photos of a chair with, for some strange reason, a book in the way. Make what you will of that ?!?! http://www.bdca.org.uk/cepsdb.html Gibbo. Edited December 10, 2019 by Gibbo675 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted December 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2019 What an impossibly difficult item to take a photograph of! Very, very nice though! The first two (38-800 SR and 38-802 BR Early) have now arrived into stock at retailers! 38-802 - F by Derails Models, on Flickr 38-802 - D by Derails Models, on Flickr 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Bank account is preparing for a hammering! One question, how are the relieving bogies fixed to the main carriage? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted December 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said: One question, how are the relieving bogies fixed to the main carriage? It's an interesting coupling that works well (on our 2nd radius S bends) as well as keeping the look of the prototype. Hopefully this explanation makes sense: The lower coupling (the red circle) uses a pin and loop system (the loop is on the red part of the crane chassis, the pin is on the relieving bogie) that actually couples the vehicles. The top part (in the green circle) is mainly cosmetic and doesn't have a pin or a loop on it, but does limit the vertical travel of the coupling, stopping the vehicles coming apart if they pass over a particularly violent bump in the track - however it doesn't prohibit all vertical movement so they will be fine running on gradients and bumpy track. Crane coupling by Derails Models, on Flickr Hope that helps? 4 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The genius of this coupling is that the crane still looks correct with the RB disconnected, and the RB looks almost correct, and yet the coupling is still both practical and functional. The review in BRM is very positive, even though the reviewer is confused with some of the terminology and history. The review closes with the assessment "This is probably the most detailed and impressive piece of rolling stock we have seen for the UK market and really does push many boundaries. Bachmann is to be congratulated... ", a sentiment with which I have to agree. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Does anyone recall the running number of the upcoming GWR example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 According to Antics Online it is No 16. Seems to be the only website with a lot of detail on each individual crane. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Apologies if there's already been a list of allocations on this thread. Were there any of these cranes in the Scottish Highlands? I've seen a picture of the Inverness crane, but I think that was a Cowans 75 tonner. Basically, I'm looking for an excuse to buy one! Cheers, Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Rick_Skateboard said: Apologies if there's already been a list of allocations on this thread. Were there any of these cranes in the Scottish Highlands? I've seen a picture of the Inverness crane, but I think that was a Cowans 75 tonner. Basically, I'm looking for an excuse to buy one! Cheers, Rick Sadly not, the furthest north one would be the Gorton example, I've gone with the red one, which was western region. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, Rick_Skateboard said: Apologies if there's already been a list of allocations on this thread. Were there any of these cranes in the Scottish Highlands? I've seen a picture of the Inverness crane, but I think that was a Cowans 75 tonner. Basically, I'm looking for an excuse to buy one! Cheers, Rick Hi Rick, Examples of Scottish allocated cranes are: C&S LMS/MOS 30 ton 1941 C&S NB 36 ton 1914 C&S LNER 36 ton 1936 C&S LNER 45 ton 1940 (Hornby Dublo JIB too short, Jib runner inaccurate) C&S CR/HR 15 ton 1892 (Early type) C&S CR/GRWR/MR/NER 15 ton 1893 (Standard type) C&S NB 36 ton 1914 C&S LNER 45 ton 1926 As you may note Cowans Sheldon were quite popular in Scotland with Ransome Rapier mostly being used by the Great Western and Southern Railways with the LNER keeping most of theirs in England. Gibbo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Thanks for the replies guys. I'll save my money! Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Rick_Skateboard said: Apologies if there's already been a list of allocations on this thread. Were there any of these cranes in the Scottish Highlands? I've seen a picture of the Inverness crane, but I think that was a Cowans 75 tonner. Basically, I'm looking for an excuse to buy one! Cheers, Rick Inverness had a 30T crane in BR days, RS1066, built by Cowans Sheldon in 1941. 10 hours ago, scots region said: Sadly not, the furthest north one would be the Gorton example, I've gone with the red one, which was western region. I believe the red on carries the number RS1097 which makes it the Saltley based crane - it was ex WR No.17 but, depending when it was transferred to the LM, it was probably black in WR days. Rule 1 always applies of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Model Store Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 38-800 In stock now - https://www.agrmodelrailwaystore.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6562 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Southern crane seen in Monk Bar Models this afternoon. I’m now deeply excited for my GWR edition! Edited December 12, 2019 by County of Yorkshire 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2019 Any sign of the red one yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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