class37418stag Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Hello everyone In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ? I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work? I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60 I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'm sorry, but am not able to fully understand your question. Are you asking how many trains ran on British Steel workings, or how many people worked for BSC, or something else? I'm not sure what you are using to translate, but it's getting more and more difficult to understand as we get more technical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I think Andrew is asking how many locations British Steel operated from in the 1990s, what were the major flows between these sites and what routes did these trains take? However, that seems a very general question that could produce a very long answer. I can't answer, because beyond knowing that Ravenscraig closed around 1992 (leaving little steel traffic in Scotland) and there were steelworks in both the northeast of England and South Wales, that is about the limit of my knowledge on the subject of steel flows. Steel flows in 1990 were also probably quite different from the flows in 1999 as a result of rationalisation and specialisation in the steel industry. I seem to recall that BR Railfreight was a beneficiary of some of that reorganisation in the early 1990s as there was more inter-site working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Integrated plants at Ravenscraig, Lackenby-Redcar, Frodingham / Scunthorpe, Llanwern and Port Talbot. Many finishing plants including plants in around Motherwell (Clydesdale, Clydebridge, Dalzell), Workington, Deeside, Ebbw Vale, Trostre, Corby, Shelton / Etruria (Stoke), Skinninggrove, Tinsley, Rotherham Other private plants such as Sheerness, ASW Cardiff, Alcan Fort William and Lynemouth. You also had steel distributers such as Blackburn, Wolverhampton, Round Oak, Hamworthy(?) There will undoubtedly be a lot more to add to the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Hello everyone In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ? I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work? I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60 I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train Thank you It is a simple question, but has a complex answer. A lot of former steel making plants were closed, although some of the associated finishing lines remained open for specialist production. Port Talbot and Llanwern in South Wales remained fully open in the 1990s, with parts of Ebbw Vale. Plus Scunthorpe, Redcar in the east of England with Stocksbridge near Sheffield, and various plating works to the east of the city. I bet I have forgotten some. Edited to add that black and decker's answer coincided with mine and is far more detailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Hello everyone In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ? I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work? I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60 I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train Thank you There were regular steel flows between NE England and South Wales. However, for the best guide to freight movements in the UK during the late 1980s/early 1990s I can recommend this dvd box set - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-Rail-Freight-Today-Train-5-DVDs-NEW-UK-/190572354734?hash=item2c5eff5cae:m:mgp7KmDpCgPyef5a5xvElNg It will answer all your questions regarding the routes, train make-ups and range of locos used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Integrated plants at Ravenscraig, Lackenby-Redcar, Frodingham / Scunthorpe, Llanwern and Port Talbot. Many finishing plants including plants in around Motherwell (Clydesdale, Clydebridge, Dalzell), Workington, Deeside, Ebbw Vale, Trostre, Corby, Shelton / Etruria (Stoke), Skinninggrove, Tinsley, Rotherham Other private plants such as Sheerness, ASW Cardiff, Alcan Fort William and Lynemouth. You also had steel distributers such as Blackburn, Wolverhampton, Round Oak, Hamworthy(?) There will undoubtedly be a lot more to add to the list. Thank you black and decker boy by what I am look answer and now I am look for steel train from north east (Tyne tees close two or three British steel work) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Here is what I believe to be a Lackenby to Margam steel working, passing Cardiff. This is the sort of train you need. 37051 and 37505 13th May 1992 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 And here is another steel service near Clay Cross 37511 and 37504 June 1989 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 A sample of the Telerail DVD is on YouTube Another great set of DVDs http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Glory-Days-Diesel-DVD/dp/B005JDFWBK A couple of good books for the era http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0947971416/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_6?ie=UTF8&dpID=61BRabNxllL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL115_SR88%2C115_&refRID=0SP0EPDPK0TQVZVJSR53 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/185794299X/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1451820463&sr=1-1&pi=AC_SX118_SY170&keywords=9781857942996 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 And here is another steel service near Clay Cross 37511 37504 clay cross 6:89.jpg 37511 and 37504 June 1989 That looks as though it could be the empties from the Lackenby- Corby 'Coil-Liner' which sometimes ran twice daily. It would run at about 2000t loaded. These days, Corby is supplied from Port Talbot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 , Alcan Fort William and Lynemouth. . Alcan are an Aluminium Smelter with Alumina going in and Aluminium Ingots coming out by rail! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2016 That looks as though it could be the empties from the Lackenby- Corby 'Coil-Liner' which sometimes ran twice daily. It would run at about 2000t loaded. These days, Corby is supplied from Port Talbot. When it first ran with pairs of 31s it was named the tubeliner and the first train carried a headboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Plenty of inspiration on Flickr https://flic.kr/p/afqSdJ https://flic.kr/p/9UkdCj https://flic.kr/p/ahHEkB https://flic.kr/p/fvfgwP https://flic.kr/p/hVrtfR https://flic.kr/p/je98pY https://flic.kr/p/r8quVs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use. There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
84j Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use. There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use. There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say. Bound for Dee Marsh/ Shotton Steelworks; they used to change locos at Warrington. There was a flow of stainless slab from Sheffield to Immingham; then ship to Sweden for rolling, the finished coil being returned to Sheffield. These flows often don't seem to make sense, until you see the scale of the rolling mills; they are enormous, and not the sort of thing you can easily move to bring them closer to the source of the slab being rolled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I'd forgotten that one. The one I'm thinking of was strip, in coils. We were told it went to Germany for some sort of treatment we don't have. My lad works for a stainless works in Sheffield, I'll get him to find out where the product goes now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 There was a flow of stainless slab from Sheffield to Immingham; then ship to Sweden for rolling, the finished coil being returned to Sheffield. These flows often don't seem to make sense, until you see the scale of the rolling mills; they are enormous, and not the sort of thing you can easily move to bring them closer to the source of the slab being rolled. This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning. For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning. For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only. Panteg Works is now a housing estate, I believe, which would explain that flow having become one way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning. For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only. My recollection is the Seaforth Traffic was Export Slab for the USA! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 My recollection is the Seaforth Traffic was Export Slab for the USA! Mark Saunders It started off as export-only and it has been again for the last 15 years or more. But it wasn't always the case. Pic (not mine) of 1 such train leaving Seaforth: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8a-collection/8151850536/in/photolist-dqmnab Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It started off as export-only and it has been again for the last 15 years or more. But it wasn't always the case. Pic (not mine) of 1 such train leaving Seaforth: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8a-collection/8151850536/in/photolist-dqmnab I recollect accounts of these workings at about the time in question; the train ran via ADJ as accessing the sidings at Panteg from the Hereford direction would have involved two reversals. The wagons appear to be either SDAs (bolsters converted from SPA Plates) or SKA (wire-coil wagons similarily converted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I recollect accounts of these workings at about the time in question; the train ran via ADJ as accessing the sidings at Panteg from the Hereford direction would have involved two reversals. The wagons appear to be either SDAs (bolsters converted from SPA Plates) or SKA (wire-coil wagons similarily converted). The 4-wheelers would have been SKAs. Besides block trains, smaller volumes used to run via 6F48 wagonload trip from Seaforth to Warrington, then 6V71 or 6V60 to Newport for a trip Panteg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 This brief history of Panteg post nationalisation might help sort out what might have been going where and when. 1967. Part of RTB, nationalised under the BSC. 1990 owned by BSC, making stainless steel in Electric Arc Furnace and rolling stainless steel strip. 1992. Taken over by Avesta Sheffield Ltd., (who already had a stainless steel plant in Sheffield.) 1996. Arc furnace ceased production, rolling mill still in operation processing stainless coil. 2004. Works closes completely. 2006 (ish) . Derelict works used as outdoor location for Dr Who/Torchwood. Current. Parc Panteg housing estate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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