RMweb Premium Annie Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 Possibly useful in these difficult times. 8 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 23/10/2019 at 09:34, Edwardian said: This morning we go behind the glass. Madderport: Remember Page 847? Well, I do not think I managed to travel beyond Madderport on my 'behind the glass' Madder Valley journey. Inspired by Annie's truly wonderful virtual homage in the making .... ... I thought I'd pick up where I left off, pushing on to Much Madder .... 11 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 Thank you for posting and reposting all these wonderful pictures James. As I mentioned in my own thread I'm not the builder of the digital version, it's a member of the creator group I belong to that's building the layout. However I will make him aware of this wonderful resource which should help him along with his endevours. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Annie said: Thank you for posting and reposting all these wonderful pictures James. As I mentioned in my own thread I'm not the builder of the digital version, it's a member of the creator group I belong to that's building the layout. However I will make him aware of this wonderful resource which should help him along with his endevours. Please do. I will continue the journey, so that the MVR pictures are more or less in one place on CA. Tell them not to be confused by larger-than-scale NG locos and a smaller-than-life broad gauge one; it's a standard gauge line. Excuse my ignorance, but can you rescale virtual locomotives? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 Thank you for the pctures James. Some inspired modelling. Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Please do. I will continue the journey, so that the MVR pictures are more or less in one place on CA. Tell them not to be confused by larger-than-scale NG locos and a smaller-than-life broad gauge one; it's a standard gauge line. Excuse my ignorance, but can you rescale virtual locomotives? No they remain the same size James since any rescaling would involve resizing the dozens of mesh elements that make up a model. What is done with the Trainz Model Railway format is that the size of the room and its furnishings is changed relative to the models to create an illusion of them being being N gauge, 00 gauge, H0 gauge & etc. I'll have a talk to the layout builder and point out that the Madder Valley really is a 00 gauge layout and see what he says, 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 I missed out the farm ... To pick up where we left off .... 10 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 Ahern did use quite a wide sleeper spacing on his original track, which may have led to the confusion that it was narrow gauge. It’s scary how much work has gone into all the buildings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Northroader said: Ahern did use quite a wide sleeper spacing on his original track, which may have led to the confusion that it was narrow gauge. It’s scary how much work has gone into all the buildings. The spacing looks to be a little less than the track gauge, so around 3'6" - 4'0" maybe? Only a little more than the 3'0" typical of much 19th/early 20th century/light railway permanent way; even that looks too wide, thanks to the narrow gauge of 00 - all part of the compromise. To make matters worse, our expectations have been irremediably warped by Peco Streamline and set-track systems that have followed its too-close sleeper spacing. Hornby's set-track (and its imitators) is fundamentally unchanged since 1972; compare some pre-System 4 set-track: Did I spy a length of proprietary track in one of those photos? This is the 27,001th reply to this topic! 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 We left the scene at the point where the high level track plunged into the gaping maw of the Madderhorn tunnel, while a lower track wends to Wantage like to a Watlingtonesque Gammon End Halt. We briefly return to the outside of the glass for the long view then, view a still from the video footage on display To Gammon End 8 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Annie said: Possibly useful in these difficult times. Thank you. One feels that this may indeed be especially useful in England at the present time. Perhaps less so in more sensible countries like New Zealand, where I think you reside? 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, drmditch said: Thank you. One feels that this may indeed be especially useful in England at the present time. Perhaps less so in more sensible countries like New Zealand, where I think you reside? Don't worry we have our fair share of people who were dropped on their heads a lot when they were small and don't let the facts get in the way of their firmly held opinions. Fortunately with our smaller population they are spaced out a bit more than they might be in a more populated country like Britain. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) A lovely collection of MVR shots. I do like the Neo-Classical temple/folly, no layout should be without one. Perhaps CA should find room for an example? The boatyard is so atmospheric, the motor cyclist laying his bike down on the approach to the bridge must be taking his life in his own hands, a good thing that the traffic is so light, and that there are no buses coming in the opposite direction! The motor boats are terrific the high foredeck 30s style is so period, the one on the slip having a cabin extension looks big enough to have participated in Operation Dynamo! All a bit of an antidote to the AM&SPHR discussion, do you think we've covered enough ground there to step back and mull things over a bit? Having said that, the Nearholmer short coaches with corridor connections would make interesting local rattlers. Back to look at the MVR photos more closely... Edited June 9, 2020 by Hroth Not Spelling but a bit of spacing! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Annie said: Fortunately with our smaller population they are spaced out a bit more than they might be in a more populated country like Britain. Its all proportional, I suspect! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hroth said: I do like the Neo-Classical temple/folly, no layout should be without one. Perhaps CA should find room for an example? I thought CA was due a Pyramid Nick B 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, Hroth said: A lovely collection of MVR shots. I do like the Neo-Classical temple/folly, no layout should be without one. Perhaps CA should find room for an example? It should. But also, as pointed out, a pyramid. 50 minutes ago, Hroth said: The boatyard is so atmospheric, the motor cyclist laying his bike down on the approach to the bridge must be taking his life in his own hands, a good thing that the traffic is so light, and that there are no buses coming in the opposite direction! The motor boats are terrifict he high foredeck 30s style is so period, the one on the slip having a cabin extensionlooks big enough to have participated in Operation Dynamo! I love the boat yard and the '30s motor launches are always things that stand out as capturing the period. 50 minutes ago, Hroth said: All a bit of an antidote to the AM&SPHR discussion, do you think we've covered enough ground there to step back and mull things over a bit? Having said that, the Nearholmer short coaches with corridor connections would make interesting local rattlers. Yes and yes. Yes, I think I might venture one more post in an effort to tie-down the topography. If that works, we can adjourn to a country pub in Much Mulling before an eventual return to the track/layout plan with the specifics of the location already understood. Yes, as soon as I saw those coaches of Kevin's I thought "that might be a fit!" Railway, yet not real railway, which is very Disc, and quite a charismatic design that has the potential to interpret this awkward idea of ganwayed short coaches successfully. 50 minutes ago, Hroth said: Back to look at the MVR photos more closely... A few more to come ... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, nick_bastable said: I thought CA was due a Pyramid They're not mutally exclusive, but it might be a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing! " 'ere 'arry! They've gorn and put up a Pyramid!" " 'oh lor', Effie, I'll sort out the Neo-Classical folly this a'ternoon!" 53 minutes ago, Edwardian said: If that works, we can adjourn to a country pub in Much Mulling Much Mulling in the Snug on a Saturday afternoon is a most attractive idea in these Lockdown Days! 55 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Yes, as soon as I saw those coaches of Kevin's I thought "that might be a fit!" Railway, yet not real railway, which is very Disc, and quite a charismatic design that has the potential to interpret this awkward idea of ganwayed short coaches successfully. Sort of like a Great Eastern "Jazz Service", you can imagine trains of 14 or so of those little devils shooting out of New Anhk of an evening behind a Mk3 Flyer, taking the suburbanites out to Sto Lat for their nights rest! At it again.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Hroth said: you can imagine trains of 14 or so of those little devils You building them, then?!? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Edwardian said: You building them, then?!? You saw what I did to those Hornby 4-wheelers, I don't think you'd want to see their like again! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 Could one have a neo classical pyramid? Two birds with one stone thingy. Nice picture of Madder valley Don 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) Thank you for the further excursion to the MVR, always an enjoyable trip. Pyramids? I owe the WNR an apology, because The Metropolitan Pyramid Company has still, after all these years, not fulfilled the order for a wayside station. I shall make enquiries as to Mr O'Doolite's whereabouts. PS: a rather posher short gangwayed coach for you to consider. Edited June 9, 2020 by Nearholmer 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: Thank you for the further excursion to the MVR, always an enjoyable trip. Pyramids? I owe the WNR an apology, because The Metropolitan Pyramid Company has still, after all these years, not fulfilled the order for a wayside station. I shall make enquiries as to Mr O'Doolite's whereabouts. PS: a rather posher short gangwayed coach for you to consider. Thats one of George Nigglemakers "Tren Dulux" luxury vehicles for the Uberwald Express? Its a fourgon conclusion that blood will be shed... Off at a run..... 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Compound2632 said: The spacing looks to be a little less than the track gauge, so around 3'6" - 4'0" maybe? Only a little more than the 3'0" typical of much 19th/early 20th century/light railway permanent way; even that looks too wide, thanks to the narrow gauge of 00 - all part of the compromise. To make matters worse, our expectations have been irremediably warped by Peco Streamline and set-track systems that have followed its too-close sleeper spacing. Hornby's set-track (and its imitators) is fundamentally unchanged since 1972; compare some pre-System 4 set-track: Did I spy a length of proprietary track in one of those photos? This is the 27,001th reply to this topic! I'm not old enough to have had any contemporary experience of the Triang grey/universal track, though later experience shows that it is actually a good solid trackbase for living-room floor layouts, it keeps the loco out of most of the carpet fibres! Personal experience of the Series 3 track was disappointing, fairly fragile and ugly looking, those little black catches at the end of each piece were prone to breaking off after connecting the track a couple of times. The Super 4 track was much better, the clip action of the half-sleepers at the end was far superior and the brown sleepers looked more "realistic" to a youngsters eyes. The only problem was that the track rusted faster than an Austin 1100, though that did mean that track weathering was authentic... Edited June 9, 2020 by Hroth ruddy typos 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Thank you for the further excursion to the MVR, always an enjoyable trip. Pyramids? I owe the WNR an apology, because The Metropolitan Pyramid Company has still, after all these years, not fulfilled the order for a wayside station. I shall make enquiries as to Mr O'Doolite's whereabouts. PS: a rather posher short gangwayed coach for you to consider. 38 minutes ago, Hroth said: Thats one of George Nigglemakers "Tren Dulux" luxury vehicles for the Uberwald Express? Its a fourgon conclusion that blood will be shed... Off at a run..... Précisément. I was going to reply to Kevin to say that this was exactly the sort of thing I had in mind for the Compagneee Quirmian Des Wagon-Lits. This coach represents the clerestory coaches of the CIWL; matchboard clerestories in varnished teak. Once, at great cost, available in HO from Marklin. I was going to use short coaches, like this, extrapolated from the Overton-based shorty Pushman coaches, for the CQWL. so Kevin's toy version is apposite. The only real difference is that, under the Rule of Archetypes, I would paint them the deep blue that was adopted for the steel-bodied coaches introduced in the 1920s, which livery we more readily associate with the CIWL brand. Today, while walking the dog, it struck me that our idea of an archetypal railway train could, in some measure, derive from a tinplate toy, and thus, through inter-dimensional leakage, could inform train design on the Disc. There is a nice symmetry given that in Raising Steam quite some detail is given of the toy trains made by the Cunning Artificers. Unfortunately, though my grip on reality may be quite slender and Castle Aching's grip on relevance is slight, I do feel I'm posting this in the wrong topic! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) There's a lot of trains-dimensional linkage between the threads, must be Circle Time again! The Blue livery has been piped into our minds through the medium of film, luckily after the Holywood debacle, film was rapidly brushed under the carpet so Mr Nigglemaker would be getting direct transference of the original matchboard bodied carriages. Reality? Who cares? The thing to do is to write it all up, print it out and stuff it in a lever-arch file for future reference. Given suitable time/space/money you can then come back to it and say, "ah yes!". I've got a rapidly filling file full of Model Railway Projects, some of which have actually been started. Note, not completed... Thing is, I get an idea for a project and, if I have some of the stuff, eg a yard of Code 75 Streamline, I'll source some of the other materials required, then other things will intervene, the bits and bobs will be boxed up, along with a piece of A4 to remind me what they're for and the plans into the binder... Edited June 9, 2020 by Hroth 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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