RMweb Gold sjrixon Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 I need some help translating the very good GWR Wagons book. I'm building a Mink D, it's the parkside one with the double V hangers. So I found the page I wanted with the lot numbers and it reads as follows. (L510 part) divers nos (50); L660 28833/5/7/43/53/7/66/71/3/4/7/82/8/90/3/9, 28900/9/11/7-9/25/9/33 (25)(Total 75) Anyone understand that? I assume it's 28833 and some other numbers, but that doesn't look like a range. I know the double V hangers were near the end, so maybe 28900 will be my wagon. But I'm very confused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 To put it more long-windedly, 50 wagons in L510 with various, i.e. divers(e), numbers, and 25 wagons in L660, numbered with gaps in the range: 28833 28835 28837 28843 28853 28857 etc 28900 28909 28911 28917 28918 28919 28925 etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The first set of numbers is, IIUC, 28833, 28835, 28837, 28843, 28853, 28857, 28866, 28871, 28873, 28874, 28877, 28882, 28888, 28890, 28893, 28899. I.e. for every group of numerals after a slash, replace the last group of numerals of equivalent length in the previous number, and do that recursively along the string. Something of an achievement to make a system clumsier than roman numerals. By extension,the second set is 28900. 28909, 28911, 28917, 28918, 28919, 28925, 28929, 28933. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold sjrixon Posted October 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Right... Thanks.. But.. I thought the 50 in brackets (L510 part) divers nos (50) meant 50 wagons. Using that logic, there are not 50 numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Right... Thanks.. But.. I thought the 50 in brackets (L510 part) divers nos (50) meant 50 wagons. Using that logic, there are not 50 numbers. Exactly, there are 50 numbers in L510, but they haven't listed them out individually for whatever reason. They only listed the L660 numbers (25 of them) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold sjrixon Posted October 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thanks.. So I'm not going mad. I guess if they listed them all out, the already huge book would be unmoveable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just to try and resurrect this thread. Can anyonevpoint me to some specimen wagon numbers for a Parkside 7mm 3 plank open. I'm in France and don't have any GWR refernce books. The kit I inherited has no photo or suggested numbers. Any help would becappreciated. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: Just to try and resurrect this thread. Can anyonevpoint me to some specimen wagon numbers for a Parkside 7mm 3 plank open. I'm in France and don't have any GWR refernce books. The kit I inherited has no photo or suggested numbers. Any help would becappreciated. Jamie I'm not familiar with the Parkside kit. Does it say what type/diagram it is ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Could it be the Cooper Craft / Slaters one? If so, it is an undiagrammed early one. Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, WillCav said: Could it be the Cooper Craft / Slaters one? If so, it is an undiagrammed early one. Will My apologies, it is a Coopercraft one. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 What is the kit reference? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Your Cooper-Craft kit is now Slaters 7015 'GWR rebuilt 3-plank open wagon'. The GWR never assigned a diagram to its 3-plankers, which numbered about 7000. The bible has a diagram with the number 57498, and pics of 34667, 1072, 34920, 30135, 39679, 1976. All are single-sided lever brake. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, hmrspaul said: What is the kit reference? Paul 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: Your Cooper-Craft kit is now Slaters 7015 'GWR rebuilt 3-plank open wagon'. The GWR never assigned a diagram to its 3-plankers, which numbered about 7000. The bible has a diagram with the number 57498, and pics of 34667, 1072, 34920, 30135, 39679, 1976. All are single-sided lever brake. Thanks very much. I've just looked at the box and it's 3015 which would fit with the 7015. Thanks for all the information. I've got plenty of numbers to go by now. Jamie Edited February 11, 2021 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The line drawing on the box and for kit 7015 shows DC1 brakes - don't know if it can be built with single sided lever instead as I work in 4mm so I've never built that kit. Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2021 According to the instructions it can be built in several variations. Some one has just emailed me a photo of one of these wagons involved in a accident that shows the brake gear and livery clearly. I can modify it to single sided without any difficulty. Thankscagain for all the help. Jamie 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, WillCav said: The line drawing on the box and for kit 7015 shows DC1 brakes - don't know if it can be built with single sided lever instead as I work in 4mm so I've never built that kit. The chassis in the line drawings for the Cooper-Crafts are fictional. DCI didn't get introduced until c 1903. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: The chassis in the line drawings for the Cooper-Crafts are fictional. DCI didn't get introduced until c 1903. Thanks for that info - I should have known not to trust Cooper Craft - the brake gear isn't great on their 4mm GW wagons. Does that mean that no 3 plank wagons ever had DC brakes? The last ones built (2 × O35) were Morton braked. Thanks Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, WillCav said: Does that mean that no 3 plank wagons ever had DC brakes? I've never seen a picture of one. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Can I say a huge thank you to all who have helped me so promptly. RMWeb is a great and generous resource. To misquote Tony Wright, the Coopercraft kit will become a 'layout wagon' and I doubt whether anyone who sees it run here in rural southwest France will ever spot that anything is wrong. It will join other examples that I have such as the Midland ventilated van that I assembled with the sides upside down by mistake. It has run round Long Preston and Lancaster Green Ayre hundreds of times at shows and no one has ever pointed it out to me. I have the right paint today, having found a local (25 miles away, model shop, the transfers are en route from the UK as a generous gift from another member of RMWeb so another kit can be finished. However I have learned a lot about GWR 3 plank wagons. Jamie Edited February 11, 2021 by jamie92208 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Can I just add the caveat that the kit uses the same under frame moulding as the 16ft long 4 plank wagons but the 3 planners were only 15ft 6in long, should that matter to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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