RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Regularity said: The GWR met up with the knotty (Market Drayton) and the LNWR, and via running powers ran passenger services to Manchester (Exchange, I think): I have certainly seen photos of their locos being turned. Which begs the question, did they run goods services, too, and whilst they must had had a goods agent, at the very least, did they provide any delivery services in Manchester? The Great Western rented a portion of the LNWR Liverpool Road goods station (the original L&MR Manchester terminus), to which goods trains were worked by its own engines. So they must also have had delivery and collection services and receiving offices in the city. There was some discussion about this not so long ago, somewhere on here... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I once attempted to build a cart in 00 as I was a little stunned by the price of a particular kit. Not a success - somehow I stuffed up the measurements and wound up with what could only be described as an inconveniently over size double wheel wheelbarrow. Nice work so far as we have come to expect. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 The GWR had an office in the docks too. It’s marked on a 1930s map of the docks that I have framed on my wall: 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) and at Liverpool Edited April 3, 2021 by Simond 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2021 I have read somewhere that the GWR had a daily pickup goods service starting from Manchester and going through Stockport taking the Altrincham line and on to Market Drayton. I do have a Lee Marsh GWR 0-6-0st on order but I'm not sure if I really want one. I don't have a single GWR wagon in my collection and the money paid might have been better spent acquiring a NSR loco. Still I have read that the have all been accounted for before they have been delivered so I can always sell it on when it finally arrives. As for this horse lorry I am trying to build, my heart isn't in it. I have put the loops on that hold the shafts to the front of the vehicle but I think that's as far as I am going. I will put it away for another day. 4 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, airnimal said: I don't have a single GWR wagon in my collection That at least is something you could change easily enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 hours ago, airnimal said: I have read somewhere that the GWR had a daily pickup goods service starting from Manchester and going through Stockport taking the Altrincham line and on to Market Drayton. I do have a Lee Marsh GWR 0-6-0st on order but I'm not sure if I really want one. I don't have a single GWR wagon in my collection and the money paid might have been better spent acquiring a NSR loco. Still I have read that the have all been accounted for before they have been delivered so I can always sell it on when it finally arrives. As for this horse lorry I am trying to build, my heart isn't in it. I have put the loops on that hold the shafts to the front of the vehicle but I think that's as far as I am going. I will put it away for another day. Shame it’s not floating your boat, it looks like another cracking build. never mind, if your heart’s not in it, there’s no point, it’s a hobby after all! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 I need to do something to save myself from going daft until the lockdown is relaxed so I will try and finish some of my half completed wagons. This cattle wagon needs brakegear making from scratch because I have run out of castings that Adrian Swain let me have years ago. I never thought I would use them all but it was 2004 when he gave them to me. So I have cut out the brake block from an old brass washer that was the right thickness. The brake hanger was made from a length of square brass tube. 13 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Restarting abandoned projects can be hard because there was always a hood reason for stopping work before. But in this case it looks like a little work now will complete another superb wagon so well worth it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 What is a typical thickness for a brake hanger when it is a single, iron bar bolted to the face of the wooden block? It's not marked on any drawings I have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Guy, I don't have written evidence of the size ( I am not an historian ) but scaling from the drawings this works out at 3" 1/4" The castings I have used in the past from Adrian all work out to this size or as close as possible and I have used brass tube which is slightly smaller than that. Steel brake shoe hangers are tapered and are thicker. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 I have reprofiled the brake shoe and soldered it to a base plate that screws to the floor. I have also added the cast white metal brake pivot plate. 13 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 I have fitted an Ambis brake rack with a brake handle cut from nickel. This is the last my own axleboxes and I still have 5 more wagons needing them. I am starting to struggle for fittings now. I will have to spend a bit of brass and stock up. I know lots of people buy stuff online but although I do have occasional buy parts this way I do prefer to buy parts at exhibitions. I will hope to paint this cattle wagon tomorrow. 11 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nickey Line Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, airnimal said: I know lots of people buy stuff online but although I do have occasional buy parts this way I do prefer to buy parts at exhibitions. If you're not comfortable buying online, there's always the phone... or snail mail! At least you'd be able to re-stock? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 13 hours ago, airnimal said: I have fitted an Ambis brake rack with a brake handle cut from nickel. This is the last my own axleboxes and I still have 5 more wagons needing them. I am starting to struggle for fittings now. I will have to spend a bit of brass and stock up. I know lots of people buy stuff online but although I do have occasional buy parts this way I do prefer to buy parts at exhibitions. I will hope to paint this cattle wagon tomorrow. Is this the same cattle wagon that made an ‘appearance’ on Midland in Bristol?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2021 Richard, the answer to you question is no it is a different one. I have built 3 now with this latest one. I would like to build a few more open topped ones and make a small cattle train. In the NSR wagon book there is a photograph of Uttoxeter goods yard in approx 1912 which has such a wagon still in existence and with the large lettering on the side. But I have run out of etched bars and other parts to make any more. I find these early cattle wagons attractive and there is not likely to be many or any kit manufacturers bringing out models of them. I have seen it written somewhere that open topped cattle wagons were to be outlawed quite early but they obviously hung on for sometimes after the cut off date. 11 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 As a side the Furness Rly open topped cattle vans lasted long enough to make it to the LMS diagram book in 1928. Marc 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2021 With the sun shining I managed to get the rattle cans out and put some paint on the cattle wagon. I made a little jig to hold the axleboxes while I spray them. Thinking about the roofless cattle wagons being outlawed early on I suppose that they could be used for barrels of beer. That may explain why we have photographs of them as late as 1912. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 The roofless ones do look good Rule 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted April 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 Progress has been quite swift today with a lot of work completed on the cattle wagon. It will need numberplates ( which I dont have ) and other lettering before it can be weathered and lime washed. I am not sure what to do with the roof. I think they were white when newly built but I am sure they turned very nearly black in the 1890's. 11 9 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Whilst I thoroughly enjoy your craftsmanship I am not going to comment until it is finished and you're happy with it ! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessy Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 03/04/2021 at 16:53, airnimal said: I have read somewhere that the GWR had a daily pickup goods service starting from Manchester and going through Stockport taking the Altrincham line and on to Market Drayton. I've had a look in a couple of LNWR working timetables for GWR goods trains going through Stockport. There are a few, but they were not stopping trains although there were limited stops at important traffic hubs. In general the trains arrive in the early hours and leave in the evenings In the July 1888 WTT there were three GW express goods which came from Gresty Lane and terminated at Ordsall Lane with stops at Edgeley, Longsight and then via London Rd. Arrivals were at 2.30am, 6.20am and 8.55am, and departures from Ordsall Lane were at 8.25pm, 9.30pm and 11.5pm (all Mondays excepted). In the October 1909 WTT, the arrivals were at 2.30am, 5.24am and 7.10 am. The 2.30 arrival would be routed by the Styal line if the special express goods from Gresty Lane to Leeds was running. (Although the special express goods is noted as starting from the GW yard at Crewe, it is not labelled in the timetable as a GW train.) The only departure listed was at 9.0pm (Saturdays excepted). On Saturdays the departure was still at 9pm, but it would pick up at Longsight and Heaton Norris if required. There is no indication of what happens to any of these trains on the other side of Gresty Lane. This is all more information than is needed to help build models, but it all adds to the overall picture! Tim Birch. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Soooooo nice 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2021 I said I didn't have any numberplates for this cattle wagon well ...... When looking at the photograph in LNWR wagons Vol 1 at this wagons to see how much lime wash was on the body I went through all the information and numbers that have been recorded and the first on the list was 934. That rang a bell in the old grey matter, so I went looking through my bits box. Sure enough I had just such a pair of that number. Also there is a tare weight listed so both these were fitted along with screw couplings. I have also painted the roof the same colour as the body. Tomorrow I hope to paint the roof a darker colour and give it a good coating of lime wash providing the weather is kind and a bit warmer. Then it will be finished. 13 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, airnimal said: I said I didn't have any numberplates for this cattle wagon well ...... When looking at the photograph in LNWR wagons Vol 1 at this wagons to see how much lime wash was on the body I went through all the information and numbers that have been recorded and the first on the list was 934. That rang a bell in the old grey matter, so I went looking through my bits box. Sure enough I had just such a pair of that number. Just goes to show that there has been a plan all along, even if you weren't aware of it. On the brake block mounting, I felt sure from a mechanical point of view that there must have been iron pieces on both sides of the block but no, a look through LNWR Wagons Vol. 1 has convinced me there was only the one, on the outside face. Crude but presumably just sufficiently effective! The other day someone asked why there's more wood on the side of the bracket away from the wheel than on the wheel side - was it Bill @billbedford or Simon @Regularity? (It's the sort of awkward question either of them would ask.) Puzzles me but then I'm just a simple-minded Midland enthusiast. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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