WR Tim Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Can anyone tell me why when 4009 "Shooting Star" (Castle class) was renamed "Lloyds" by the GWR in 1936, they decided to give it a number completely outside their standard numbering system, ie. A1 (later 100 A1)? Renaming the loco, fine. Renumbering the loco, fine. Slapping a random plate on the cabside that bares no relation to any other number they used, why? Ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Can anyone tell me why when 4009 "Shooting Star" (Castle class) was renamed "Lloyds" by the GWR in 1936, they decided to give it a number completely outside their standard numbering system, ie. A1 (later 100 A1)? Renaming the loco, fine. Renumbering the loco, fine. Slapping a random plate on the cabside that bares no relation to any other number they used, why? Ta. I believe '100 A1' refers to the highest indication of quality or safety given by Lloyds. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I believe '100 A1' refers to the highest indication of quality or safety given by Lloyds. Correct, the expression 'something' is "A1 at LLoyds" means that the subject meets the highest standards and hence is a minimal (insurance) risk. I recollect that one of the GWR Directors was a Lloyd's name at the time when the engine was rebuilt. Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 13, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2010 On original renaming (from 'Shooting Star') in January 1936 the loco was - as the OP said. named 'Lloyds' and given the number 'A1' - which was Lloyds highest insurance classification when applied to ships (I understand various of the GWR ships were classified A1 by Lloyds and I think that includes those brought into service earlier in the 1930s). Presumably the idea of 'A1' as a running number wasn't thought very clever and additional plates bearing the number '100' were added on the cabsides, above the 'A1' plates, in February 1936 - or perhaps the idea was to get all the publicity shots out of the way before adding the other plates? The loco was known as '100' for ordinary operating purposes but the bufferbeam carried '100A1' although the BR smokebox numberplate was plain '100'. Interestingly - having seen some of them a good ten years after the loco itself had gone - the driving wheelsets were also stamped '100A1'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WR Tim Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share Posted April 13, 2010 Thanks guys. Glad you mentioned the BR smoke box number Stationmaster - I thought after I posted that BR wouldn't have had any truck with 100A1 and wondered whether they'd just numbered it 100 or returned it to 4009. This came up because I saw pictures of the loco in Power of the Castles. There is one of it numbered just A1 when fresh out of Swindon Works and one dated simply 1936 depicting it with the 100 plates as well so it certainly lasted less than a year numbered just A1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reading General Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 reviving an interesting thread, I just realised today that 100A1 was actually withdrawn before the last Castle was built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 In the Lloyd's Register class +100A1, what do the “+”,"100", "A" and "1" stand for? “+”(properly called a Pattee cross but often called a Maltese cross) means the ship was constructed under survey by Lloyd's Register surveyors; "100" means the ship is suitable for seagoing service. "A" means the ship was constructed or accepted into LR class and is maintained in good and efficient condition. "1"means she has good and efficient anchoring and mooring equipment. http://www.shipinspection.eu/index.php/mca-orals/58-mca-oral-exam-questions/3691-in-the-lloyd-s-register-class-100a1-what-do-the-100-a-and-1-stand-for Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
247 Developments Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just spotted this Topic WE make the plates for 100 A1 Lloyds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Just spotted this Topic WE make the plates for 100 A1 Lloyds Already have a set from 247. Mike Wiltshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggerlloyd454 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just wondering if 100A1 ever carried early BR crest or if she was withdrawn with GWR crests still on? It would have been on for a maximum of two years but if she carried smokebox numbering then possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I don't think it got a BR crest. Photo here in 1948 as an oil burner with G crest W. https://railphotoprints.uk/p196062882/e46aabf93 And here as 100 with a smokebox plate in July 1949. Can't really tell but the tender might have BRITISH RAILWAYS lettering. https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/GWRSteam-1/Collett-Locomotives/Collett-460-designs/Collett-Castle-Class/Collett-Castles/Star-Rebuilds-1924-1926/i-WcHJJd9/A But if you look here it seems to have had three different tenders in it's last year. What livery they were carrying is a good question. https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&id=4009&type=S&loco=100A1 Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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