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Lisburn North - An 00 gauge layout


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21 hours ago, Lambeg Man said:

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For the life of me I have no memory of what was the lie of the land was to the left of this picture.

It was just the back gardens of the houses on Wallace Avenue.

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5 hours ago, pat141 said:

I got this map of the PRONI website showing Lisburn station in 1846-62.

You can see the gardens of the house and a path leading down to the bridge beside the station.

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Absolutely superb, pat141 - that shows it perfectly.

 

It's also interesting to see the original position of the turntable - I was unaware of that. Must look that website up! The 1846 map doesn't appear to be on the OSI website.

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Hi Jon,

 

I attach a copy of a map that I have no memory of where it came from or what the date of it is. You will see that the turntable seen in pat141's map is now a capstan turntable at the rear of the goods shed. The actual engine turntable is shown but not the crossovers to the east of the bridge. Also shown as I now see is the pathway through the smaller arch and the 'Lodge House' at the entrance to Wallace Park.

 

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2 hours ago, Lambeg Man said:

 

Yes Jon, you were right. Have since found this 1965 picture -

 

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And that ground being cleared to the right of the railway would be that British Legion place which backed onto the railway and would have been built about then. It would have been interesting to be "on the ground" at that stage, so to speak, as it might have been possible to see the remains of what would have been an avenue up to Wallace's House, the "Tech". By the way, it was a very impressive building inside too.

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15 hours ago, Lambeg Man said:

Hi Jon,

 

I attach a copy of a map that I have no memory of where it came from or what the date of it is. You will see that the turntable seen in pat141's map is now a capstan turntable at the rear of the goods shed. The actual engine turntable is shown but not the crossovers to the east of the bridge. Also shown as I now see is the pathway through the smaller arch and the 'Lodge House' at the entrance to Wallace Park.

 

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A couple of points - first, the cabin is on the up side. I think it moved circa 1914, which helps to date the map to late 19th/early 20th Century. Also, there is no sign of the stables which backed on to Antrim Road/Antrim Street (I think the railway bridge is the boundary between Street and Road). Excepting the wagon turntable at the back of the goods store and the turntable at far right (which must have been for turning locos off the Gt Vic Street locals - later used for turning the Banbridge railbus), this basic layout was essentially unchanged until the NIR era. One more thing, the line to the south of the goods store must have been later extended as the "third road", which was used for wagon storage long before it was extended again to Knockmore Junction in the early 1970s. Other than the above, this is the layout as I remember it from the early 1970s. 

 

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On 05/05/2021 at 23:41, Lambeg Man said:

I wonder if any alteration was made in connection with the 1912 Third Line proposal of the GNR, i.e. the additional arches at Finaghy and Knockmore? Although the abutments are widely set, I think you would have a struggle to get a third line through there.

 

I take this back. I have looked at a Jonathan Allen photo taken from the north end of the 'up' platform (so taken further back from where the one I posted earlier was taken), showing an 'A' class hauling a cement train through the bridge. The gap between the train and the bridge abutment is actually considerably wide. Given the space available on the other side, I would say they could have got three tracks through the gap.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Hunslet 102 said:

Interesting compromise Steve, I assume with the hidden storage sidings it is not necessary to have it linked to the rest of the layout and saves trying to squeeze an extra track in on the curve 

 

That's correct Hunslet. The first picture shows the point in position under the bridge.

 

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The next two pictures illustrate the problem. In the first the Peco Setrack curves are shown in the position they would need to be placed for three tracks to be accommodated.

 

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However, if the loop (third) line was added, the two main line tracks would need to go straight for at least 8". The next picture shows where the curves would end up if this course was followed.

 

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 Okay, so move the bridge back 8". The distance between to the bridges forming the end pieces of the 'scenic' section are already slightly nearer each other than before, due to the need to incorporate a reverse curve at one end to have the lines swing left under the Belfast Road bridge. I didn't need to do this with the previous effort as the lines were going left anyway. Many thanks for your supportive comments.

 

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9 hours ago, TheTurfBurner said:

later used for turning the Banbridge railbus),

 

I never knew a Railbus was deployed between Lisburn and Banbridge. Thank you Turfburner for your input about that map. 

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On 09/05/2021 at 18:51, Lambeg Man said:

 

That's correct Hunslet. The first picture shows the point in position under the bridge.

 

image.png.80f8f490389f5f4a63d8fc00e61a699c.png

 

The next two pictures illustrate the problem. In the first the Peco Setrack curves are shown in the position they would need to be placed for three tracks to be accommodated.

 

image.png.c5394ad94758f68bec5c31c89ebb2095.png

 

However, if the loop (third) line was added, the two main line tracks would need to go straight for at least 8". The next picture shows where the curves would end up if this course was followed.

 

image.png.2429cabb2fcc92e03b5779c6220e47f9.png

 

 Okay, so move the bridge back 8". The distance between to the bridges forming the end pieces of the 'scenic' section are already slightly nearer each other than before, due to the need to incorporate a reverse curve at one end to have the lines swing left under the Belfast Road bridge. I didn't need to do this with the previous effort as the lines were going left anyway. Many thanks for your supportive comments.

 

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I never knew a Railbus was deployed between Lisburn and Banbridge. Thank you Turfburner for your input about that map. 

New one to me too; interesting! Senior said that in times past, it was also used for services on the Antrim branch only (i.e. Antrim to Lisburn and back) - though I'm unaware of any specific examples.

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I've never seen any JHB. There  was a circa 1900 postcard published by Mr. Ferris in one of his books, but that shows the 'Mills' building we are familiar with. Moria apart, remember the original GVS was an Ulster Railway building. Balmoral, Dunmurry, Lambeg, Lurgan and Porteedown were all GNR built. As Moria served a "village" and as passenger traffic developed towards Belfast rather than in the 'up' direction, the GNR probably never saw a need to provide a more modern building on the 'up' platform.

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