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On 05/12/2019 at 09:10, RRU said:

This one should have been posted yesterday with the other tank engines

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78) No. 6102 near Southcote Jct. 1939

 

Now, some Kings

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79) No.6006 "King George I" at Paddington 15-7-37

 

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80) No. 6006 "King George I" at Paddington 15-7-37

 

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81) No. 6014 "King Henry VII". No details

 

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82) No. 6029 "King Edward VIII" at Bristol Bath Road shed 5-6-38

81 looks like an official works photo, with the background 'whited out', but the rods should be at bottom dead centre for an official shot.

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107) Highland Rly. no. 53 near Newtonmore.

 

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108) LNWR Claughton class no. 1191 at Crewe 8-13

 

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109) Midland Rly. 800 class? no.67 at Nottingham Midland.

 

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110) LMS no. 84 at Great Rocks Tunnel.

 

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111) LMS no. 213 near Bell Busk 8-34

 

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112) LMS no. 238 near Little Eaton Jct.

 

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No 91, of MR 2601, was photographed by K.A.C.R. Nunn. According to the caption (Steam in Camera, 1898-1959, compiled by Patrick Russell), it was at St. Pancras on a Leicester express, sometime in 1901.

 

In No 89 of MR 25, is that an indicator shelter on the nearside of the smokebox?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, 62613 said:

...... In No 89 of MR 25, is that an indicator shelter on the nearside of the smokebox?

Looks like it ......... wouldn't be my choice of conveyance !

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My computer has sorted the files into numerical order, so there is no date or class order.

 You will know what they are anyway.

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113) LMS no. 338 at Duffield

 

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114) LMS no. 338 near Derby

 

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115) LMS no. 402. No details

 

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116) LMS no. 442 at London Road Jct Derby

 

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117) LMS no. 489 near Cothill Autumn 1938

 

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118) LMS no.654 at Crewe 7-4-34

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2P or not 2P ? .............. interesting selection of coaching stock among that lot : is that a Lanky 'Club' saloon in 114 ? - what's it doing near Derby ?

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42 minutes ago, Wickham Green said:

2P or not 2P ? .............. interesting selection of coaching stock among that lot : is that a Lanky 'Club' saloon in 114 ? - what's it doing near Derby ?

That is the question.

 

Peter

 

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119) LMS no. 722 near Colwick Level Crossing 3-33

 

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120) LMS no. 757. No details

 

A couple of compounds

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121) LMS no. 931 near Bell Busk 1937

 

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122) LMS no. 1028 at Derby no. 4 engine shed. No date.

 

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123) LMS no.1205 at Hellifield MPD 1946

 

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124) LMS no. 1327 at Nottingham Midland. No date

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On 12/12/2019 at 10:12, Wickham Green said:

2P or not 2P ? .............. interesting selection of coaching stock among that lot : is that a Lanky 'Club' saloon in 114 ? - what's it doing near Derby ?

 

Well. it's a special (reporting number on the smokebox) so who knows?

 

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No. 124; Nottingham?

In nos. 115 and 118, the locos have bogie brakes

No. 122 is surely in Midland days?

 

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1 hour ago, 62613 said:

No. 124; Nottingham?

In nos. 115 and 118, the locos have bogie brakes

No. 122 is surely in Midland days?

 

Agree re 124 - looks like Nottingham to me.

 

I think the engine in 122 is in MR livery but in LMS ownership - look at the cabside.

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125) LMS no. 1509 at Derby. No date.

 

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126) LMS no. 2053 at Derby. No date.

 

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127) LMS no. 2106 at Mill Hill 1923.

 

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128) LMS no. 2111. No date.

 

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129) LMS no. 2198 at St . Albans 1930.

 

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130) LMS no. 2341 at St . Pancras 1936.

 

 

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I don't think that I have seen the LMS 4-6-4Ts before. What was their history? When I tried to Google 2106 I got a LTSR 4-4-2T.

If you weather your engines, you certainly don't have to worry about the number transfers having too much border showing, judging by the selectively buffed up numbering on some of the above.

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9 hours ago, phil_sutters said:

I don't think that I have seen the LMS 4-6-4Ts before. What was their history? When I tried to Google 2106 I got a LTSR 4-4-2T.

If you weather your engines, you certainly don't have to worry about the number transfers having too much border showing, judging by the selectively buffed up numbering on some of the above.

2106 was one of a class of eight ordered by the London, Tilbury and Southend Railway to a design by their engineer, Thomas Whitelegg, but delivered in 1912 after the LT&SR had been taken over by the Midland Railway. The class was a bit of a white elephant; designed for Fenchurch Street traffic, they were slightly too heavy to actually use that station, and negotiations with the Great Eastern, who actually owned the infrastructure broke down when the Midland butted in. (Shades of the Highland Rivers saga) As a result they never really got used properly, one was trialled on the SECR, and the Midland eventually found some use for them on menial tasks including piloting coal trains during the Great War. Whitelegg moved to the Glasgow and South Western Railway, where he repeated the design, with improvements. I think these latter engines were marginally more successful, but didn't last long, as was the fate of many GSWR locos.

Found this interesting rear view courtesy of steamworkshop website

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That looks a posed shot. Look at the way the coal is stacked...first bump, they lose a good lot at the rear?

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131) No. 2430 near Peckwash Mill Sidings. No date.

 

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132) No. 2498 near Peckwash Mill Sidings. No date.

 

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133) No. 2592 near Cromford. No date.

 

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134) No. 2898. No details.

 

Does anyone know what this is? It is all in pristine condition.

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135) LMS no. 3009 at Crewe Works 14-8-38.

 

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136) LMS no. 3153 at Derby. No date.

 

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No. 134: Anyone any idea why no. 2898 has a fully enclosed cab (even a weatherboard on the tender front).? And what is that on the footplate just in front of the cab?

 

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3 hours ago, 62613 said:

No. 134: Anyone any idea why no. 2898 has a fully enclosed cab (even a weatherboard on the tender front).? And what is that on the footplate just in front of the cab?

 

2898, and 2899, were the only tender locos on the London, Tilbury and Southend Railway and were bought in 1899 from Sharp, Stewart. They had been built for the Ottoman Railway in Turkey, which accounts for the fully enclosed cab, although they came with a very large side window, which the LT&SR decided to infill, using a carriage window to maintain light. The weatherboard came a bit later, probably because the otherwise all tank engine line liked to run them in reverse more than other companies might. The large tank on the left footplate only seems to be original, and sufficiently vital to be retained after the Midland fitted one of their Belpaire boilers, but Bob Essery doesn't comment on it or its function. 

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137) LMS no. 3826. No details

 

Photographers trespassing back then.

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138) LMS no. 3951 near Breadsalt Crossing. No date.

 

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139) LMS no. 4153 near Derby. No date.

 

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140) LMS no. 4994 at Elstree. No date.

 

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141) LMS no. 4999 near Borrowash 1936.

 

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142) LMS no. 5000 at Nottingham Low Level. No date.

 

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Thanks for posting these wonderful photos.

 

141 would certainly draw some comments if you tried that combination at an exhibition.

 

Brian

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Photo #2, this was part of marketing by the LNER promoting the 1938 Flying Scotsman. This was the ‘old style’ train that did a tour in 1938. There’s quite a few photos knocking around, and unbelievably, some colour film. JWealleans has modelled the whole train a couple of years ago.
 

There’s some more information here about the coaches:

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10667&hilit=Scotsman+1938

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35 minutes ago, 88C said:

Thanks for posting these wonderful photos.

 

141 would certainly draw some comments if you tried that combination at an exhibition.

 

Brian

The (L&Y) Dynamometer Car is understandable - but why hang passenger stock on the back ? ................... thoughts of fully fitted freights p'raps ?

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1 hour ago, Wickham Green said:

The (L&Y) Dynamometer Car is understandable - but why hang passenger stock on the back ? ................... thoughts of fully fitted freights p'raps ?

Look like a test train, especially as it has the dynamometer coach next to the engine.  And a simple way to create a nice long and fairly heavy train for test purposes was to hang a load of coacjes on it which also allowed for higher speeds to be attempted if that was part of the trial. 

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