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On 23/12/2019 at 09:37, RRU said:

 

 

 

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178) LMS no. 7277. No details.

 

At first glance I took this for a model

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I know what you mean; something about the semi-matt finish and the lighting.

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Here we go again. Numbers above 10000 now.

 

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187) LMS no. 10144 at Carlisle. No date.

 

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188) LMS n0. 10307 at Salwick Troughs 8-30.

 

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189) LMS no. 10335. No details.

 

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190) LMS no. 10336 at Ansdell 10-26.

 

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191) LMS no. 10438 at Lea Road Troughs. No details of other loco or date.

 

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192) LMS no. 10456 at Upperby Shed 16-7-33.

 

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193) LMS no. 10606 at Agecroft. No date.

 

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194) LMS no. 10869 at Holbeck. No date.

 

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195) LMS no. 11103. No details.

 

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196) LMS no. 11113 at Ansdell 7-27.

 

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197) LMS no. 11117. No details.

 

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198) LMS no. 12488 at Carlisle . Late1920's.

 

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199) LMS no. 12753. No details.

 

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200) LMS nos. 12826 and 4972 at Agecroft 8-10-30.

 

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201) LMS no. 13103 near Dunkeld. Early1930's.

 

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202) LMS no.13245 at Crewe South. 7-4-34.

 

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203) LMS no. 14010 at Perth 17-4-33.

 

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204) LMS no. 14358 at Carlisle. No details of second loco or date.

 

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205) LMS no. 14359. No details.

 

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206) LMS no. 14432 at Stirling. No date.

 

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207) LMS no. 14443 at Kingmoor. No date.

 

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208) LMS no. 14379 at Aviemore. No date.

 

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209) LMS no. 14401 at Inverness 22-8-28.

 

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210) LMS no. 14417 at Aviemore 15-4-33.

 

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205) LMS no. 14359 is heading south crossing over the river Caldew passing Carlisle No. 3 signal Box. Looking in the opposite direction to photos 198 and 204 which are taken at Caldew junction where the freight lines joins the main line

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On 16/12/2019 at 10:05, Wickham Green said:

The (L&Y) Dynamometer Car is understandable - but why hang passenger stock on the back ? ................... thoughts of fully fitted freights p'raps ?

 

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205) LMS no. 14359. No details.

 

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206) LMS no. 14432 at Stirling. No date.

 

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207) LMS no. 14443 at Kingmoor. No date.

 

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208) LMS no. 14379 at Aviemore. No date.

 

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209) LMS no. 14401 at Inverness 22-8-28.

 

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210) LMS no. 14417 at Aviemore 15-4-33.

 

No. 200, with the Garratt; are the wagons being used as barriers? If so, what sort of train is it? Surely not a delivery run?

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The move may be no more than a yard shunt, with the Garratt perhaps not in steam; the 0-8-0 is not carrying any lamps, though the van is.

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201 HR TPO is the first vehicle, with a HR 48ft bogie as the second vehicle... This photo shows 13103 and 13101 double heading the southbound Royal Highlander somewhere near Inchmagnachan approaching Inver Tunnel somewhere around 1929. Photo by FR Hebron.

205 HR cove roof luggage compo behind.

208 Rebuilt HR Loch.

209 HR un-rebuilt Wee Ben and what looks like a NE and Caley ccts

210 HR Big Ben with extended smokebox.

 

Andy G

 

edit to add details to 201.

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14 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The move may be no more than a yard shunt, with the Garratt perhaps not in steam; the 0-8-0 is not carrying any lamps, though the van is.

The 0-8-0 ha a lamp over the left buffer. It is a an odd assortment of wagons though.

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211) LMS no. 14501 at Perth 21-5-33.

 

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212) LMS no. 14616 near Perth. Early1930's.

 

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213) LMS no. 14692 at Inverness. No date.

 

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214) LMS no. 14757 at Perth. No date.

 

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215) LMS no. 14761 at Carlise. No date.

 

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216) LMS no. 15001 at Inverness 16-4-33.

 

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213, A lovely shot of a proper castle coming out of Inverness, none of your fake GW locos here! The train is typical of the time, a right mixed bag of carriages. Midland clerestory brake, a carriage I don't recognise, an LMS p2 brake vehicle and what could be a LMS standard P1 non-corridor. Either side there are HR road vans of differing types.

 

214, 14757 at Perth. This must be after 31st Jan 1931 when she overrall the stop blocks at Dundee West, as she has had her shortened HR chimney replaced with a Caley one. She was the first to be withdrawn at the end of 1936.

 

215, another HR River. She was withdrawn in October 1939.

 

Andy G

 

 

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1 hour ago, uax6 said:

213, A lovely shot of a proper castle coming out of Inverness, none of your fake GW locos here! The train is typical of the time, a right mixed bag of carriages. Midland clerestory brake, a carriage I don't recognise, an LMS p2 brake vehicle and what could be a LMS standard P1 non-corridor. Either side there are HR road vans of differing types.

 

 

I've not been keeping up...

 

The leading carriage isn't an ex-Midland clerestory, it's ex-Midland & Glasgow and South Western or ex-Midland & North British Joint Stock; a 50 ft corridor brake composite to D566, of 1899/1900. In pre-grouping days, the Midland Scotch services north of the Forth were worked via the Waverley Route, Edinburgh, and the Forth Bridge, courtesy of the North British. Did this routing survive the grouping? In which case this may be an ex-M&NB vehicle. (I think the M&NB joint stock arrangement continued until 1930, when the stock was divided between the LMS and LNER, with their own stock alternating on Waverley route expresses.)

 

The third carriage is another of those de-lux LMS Period 2 60 ft corridor brake composites, D1704, built 1929/30. I think both the second and fourth carriages are late pre-Grouping 57 ft corridor carriages, the nearer one an 8-compartment third and the further one a 4 third + 3 first composite - neither has the distinctive angle-iron trussing of LMS standard underframes. The lack of footboards on the composite suggests to me that it might be ex-LNWR; the profile of the all-third looks different; could it be ex-Caledonian? (I'm not well up on Scottish carriages.)

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19 hours ago, uax6 said:

209 HR un-rebuilt Wee Ben and what looks like a NE and Caley ccts

I wouldn't know one Ben from another, I'm afraid, but I'm pretty sure the first vehicle is an ex-NBR six-wheel fish van, followed by an ex-NER four-wheel CCT, or one of the LNER built examples to the same design.

 

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 217) LMS no. 15402 at Glasgow St. Enoch. No date.

 

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218) LMS no. 17801 at Perth. 21-5-34.

 

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219) LMS no. 17913 at Perth. 21-5-34.

 

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220) LMS no. 20012. No details.

 

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221) LMS no. 22822. No details.

 

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222) LMS no. 15351. No details.

 

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222) Those are, I presume, ex-Caledonian 12-wheel non-corridor carriages?

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 LMS22900atLeedsHolbeck.jpg.4c48e898e46790151fb952fa287e48f2.jpg

 223) LMS no. 22900 at Leeds Holbeck. No date.

 

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224) LMS no. 25298 at Peterborough 29-8-36.

 

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225) LMS no. 25304 at Bletchley 1938.

 

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226) LMS no. 25393 at Harrow & Wealdstone. Mid1930's.

 

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227) LMS no. 25791 at South Kenton. No date.

 

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228) LMS no. 25818 at Shugborough Park 11-8-39.

 

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On 20/12/2019 at 12:29, Compound2632 said:

With those big square-cornered widows, it does, in such shabby condition, have a bit of a Russian look to it! The LMSCA have done a superb job on restoration of the exterior (though for the moment they've baulked at fully-lined livery - with which many a modeller will sympathise). Alas it seems that as BR stripped out the original interior when the carriage was converted to departmental use, there's no prospect of being able to wallow in the spaciousness of a delux "Royal Scot" third!

The choice of that vehicle to pose as a Russian carriage - and also Swedish, I think - was because of its large drop windows that actors could lean out of. ( I believe George Formby used such a facility in one of his films - probably not the same coach though ! ) The LMSCA would probably be a little foolish completing a fully lined finish before they re-position the doors that were moved in departmental days : some of the original compartment partitions were moved too, but they're long gone now !

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225). A pair of ex-Midland 48 ft square light clerestories of 1898-1902 - both lavatory composites to D508. The nearer one is the brake composite version and retains the glazed toplights to the doors; the rear one is the luggage composite version and has had the door toplights replaced by ventilators (per the Ratio kits) a modification started in late Midland days but evidently not universal by 1939. (The D508 composite was the most numerous and useful type of these 48 ft carriages but unfortunately not one of the three diagrams done by Ratio.) Lacy & Dow, Midland Railway Carriages, doesn't give withdrawal dates for these carriages but the similar non-lavatory carriages built in 1900-1902 for the Leeds & Bradford district local services were being withdrawn steadily throughout the late 30s with the last few hanging on until 1946 - possibly retained as a spare set. In the background, a couple of ex-LNWR full brakes, one arc-roofed, the other with elliptical roof and in the "toplight" style - much the same as the fourth and third vehicles in No. 227.

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8 hours ago, RRU said:

223) LMS no. 22900 at Leeds Holbeck. No date.

 

Date must be post 1/5/49; 8F in background is in 1949-56 BR livery with unicycling lion totem.

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Here are the last photos in the LMS batch.

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229) LMS no. 27217. No details.

 

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230) LMS no. 28585 at Willesden Depot 17-9-32.

 

To end, here are two views of the articulated DMU nos. 80000-80001-80002.

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231) LMS no. 80000-1-2.

 

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232) LMS no. 80000-1- 2.

 

Tomorrow..................The LNER.

 

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That's an odd beast.

Anyone know any details?

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I spy two odd beasts and a Cauliflower .............. I guess you're referring to the LMS railcar : a closer relative to the BR first generation type than the oft-quoted - and far more numerous - GWR type. It was a one off and didn't have very long in traffic - ended up* as a departmental unit of some sort.

 

* literally - the end cars only

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