RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted January 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2021 A great promise of things to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 All looking great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 Peter Kirmond and I have been trying to get out heads around the sequence of events with the signal box and footbridge and finally we seem to have it pinned down, so if anyone is interested here is the sequence; SIGNAL BOX. This was called the 'Platform' box, not the station box, and operated until 20th May 1951. It was damaged in the 1942 bombing raid and was out of action for some time. The bookstall backed onto it but was not part of the structure. The box became a staff office in 1951. The roof originally had a skylight but this was replaced with two metal ventilators, presumably as a result of the bomb damage. FOOTBRIDGE. This was first built in 1900, replacing the subways built when the station opened...these were retained for use by trolleys and would again be used by passengers when work was being done on the footbridge. The bridge was a metal structure and was partly supported by suspension cables attached to the roof girders. The bridge was moved in 1930; having originally run alongside the signal box it now stood in front of it with steps running on both directions. Why it was moved does not seem to have been recorded. The bridge only ran as far as Platforms 10 and 12 as it had since 1900. There was no access to the signal box from the bridge. In 1938 the bridge was extended to run through the brick wall to serve new platforms built outside the train shed. The bridge was damaged in the 1942 raid but was repaired. In 1952 and entirely new footbridge was built in the same position, the subways being reopened for passengers while the work was done. This is the bridge I have modelled and which remains in use today. The old signal box, now staff offices, was given a door leading onto the footbridge. When the railways were electrified the footbridge was again upgraded but remains essentially the 1952 structure. I am sure that none of this will be of interest to many people, but if like Peter you are modelling the mid 1930's it is quite important to get the sequence correct. At least now the information is in the public domain and available to all. Peter 3 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 15/12/2020 at 10:36, kirtleypete said: I know the feeling! Apart from the missing tank panels the water tower is about finished. My customer and I had a discussion about the water; he asked me to give it a green tinge, which I did by painting a thin wash onto the back of the sheet of clear plastic. I wanted to make sure that the detail inside the tank could still be seen: It's difficult to photograph, but looking at it you can see the strengthening ribs. I have to admit that I think the water would be clear, it empties and fills so often there wouldn't be time for it to grow algae or whatever. At the end of the day, though, it's not my model. Peter Was there a water softening plant at York? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) I don't know but I can find out, so watch this space! ADDED LATER; It doesn't look like there was one, presumably because the local water was already fine to use as it was. Peter Edited February 1, 2021 by kirtleypete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 The final drawings for the station roof have arrived- nothing to do with me so I can say I think they are incredible. Peter 8 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 That is going to be stunning when it is made Cheers David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted February 21, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2021 My customer has bedded in the water works buildings and sent me these three pictures....he's been working hard on the track in this area. I must remind him to dust the water next time he takes a picture! Peter 26 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 That looks really good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted February 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 07/12/2020 at 10:24, kirtleypete said: While we wait for the parts for the overall roof to arrive I'm going to build the group of buildings around the water tank. Despite the proximity to the platform ends pictures have been hard to find: Peter, Images of Leaman Road and Waterworks Signal boxes seem a bit rare to come across. Waterworks would have been hidden behind the white building on the right of the bottom picture, but is visible in the top. Presumably the visible box in the middle of the bottom picture is Leaman Road box? Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted February 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, MarshLane said: Peter, Images of Leaman Road and Waterworks Signal boxes seem a bit rare to come across. Waterworks would have been hidden behind the white building on the right of the bottom picture, but is visible in the top. Presumably the visible box in the middle of the bottom picture is Leaman Road box? Rich H Rich, I'm certain that the 'box pictured in the lower photo is the original Waterworks signal box, and not Leeman Road 'box. In the upper photo is the second Waterworks signal box. The train in the upper photo travelling towards Scarborough is going over Waterworks crossing. There is an interesting photo in the NERA publication Signalling Centres in the North East: No.1 York which shows both signal boxes either side of the Scarborough lines with a derailed loco on its side between both 'boxes. Quite remarkable that neither signal box suffered any damage as a result of the derailment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted February 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, iands said: H Rich, I'm certain that the 'box pictured in the lower photo is the original Waterworks signal box, and not Leeman Road 'box. In the upper photo is the second Waterworks signal box. The train in the upper photo travelling towards Scarborough is going over Waterworks crossing. There is an interesting photo in the NERA publication Signalling Centres in the North East: No.1 York which shows both signal boxes either side of the Scarborough lines with a derailed loco on its side between both 'boxes. Quite remarkable that neither signal box suffered any damage as a result of the derailment. Hi Ian, Thanks for that, I had never realised there was an earlier Waterworks box, but looking again at the picture that makes sense, as it looks in the wrong place for Leaman Road SB, I am guessing the picture is pre-WW1. I ordered a copy of that NERA publication (along with the NERA signalling book) yesterday so am looking forward to reading that. Sorry for the thread wandering Peter. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted February 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, MarshLane said: Hi Ian, Thanks for that, I had never realised there was an earlier Waterworks box, but looking again at the picture that makes sense, as it looks in the wrong place for Leaman Road SB, I am guessing the picture is pre-WW1. I ordered a copy of that NERA publication (along with the NERA signalling book) yesterday so am looking forward to reading that. Sorry for the thread wandering Peter. Rich Hi Rich, I have both these publications, both are a very interesting read and a valuable record and reference source and I'm sure you will enjoy them. Once again, apologies to Peter for "thread wander". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted February 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Taken from a book published by Oldham’s in 1947, this shows the area just a bit further north, but I have a feeling the Scarborough Crossing got similar treatment, concrete kerbs, grass, and shrubs. Edited February 21, 2021 by Northroader 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan31956 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 As York resident, it has been fascinating reading the progress of this build. Do you have any updates? Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted March 19, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2021 I do - perfect timing! My customer has just sent me these pictures of the laser cut roof parts. As soon as we're allowed to travel again I'll be collecting them and carrying on working on the station. They are made so that they can be painted before the glazing is slotted into place. Peter 20 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Great article in this month's BRM. Looking forward to seeing the roof develop. Cheers David 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted March 23, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2021 Four more pictures of the end span in place, just loosely to see how it looks. It is really beginning to look like York. Peter 33 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I was looking at some of the bomb damage photos the other day. Do you know when the roof was rebuilt and other repairs made? Certainly made a mess of the middle area of the station building side roof spans - and of course the never rebuilt Gents toilet (we have a perfectly adequate portacabin type arrangement and one of the few free loos in York! TMI). Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Extremely impressive model. I can't help noticing the extreme width of the station area - is it going to be practicable to reach the middle if necessary for track cleaning, dealing with any derailment or whatever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted March 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) This is great to see. I mentioned earlier in the thread that my dad started his working life in 1944 as an LNER apprentice french-polisher in the hotels' department in York, and that he was very impressed by your model of the Royal Station Hotel. Later on he worked in the loco shedmaster's office at York North shed, and he and my future mum "met halfway" to do their lunchtime courting on (old) Platform 4 on the station, as she worked in the railway catering office overlooking Tearoom Square - so under the left-hand arch on your top two photos. We lost mum back in 2017 and, sadly, Covid got my old dad last month despite him putting up a good fight over four weeks. So, I won't ever again be able to show him pictures of your superb modelling. But the way you and your client have captured the look and feel of the station brought back so many memories for him when I visited him with my iPad. Thanks. Richard Edited March 23, 2021 by RichardT Sense 1 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Many thanks for the responses everyone, it all helps bring the model to life. My customer has passed on this in answer to the questions: Designing the boards has been a labour of love in itself. The board with the hotel and portico is designed to sit on legs with rollers so that it can be easily slid out into the space behind, giving easy access to the roof which will be in removeable sections. The boards for the main section are 4-5’ long and about 3’ wide, and shaped so that one can be slid out without the others being moved, as and when major repairs are needed. The boards with platforms 14 and 15, and the representation of Branches yard, then sit alongside. There is one point where 3 boards come together, with one of the Scarborough crossings right over the join! I just couldn’t work out how to avoid this. The old ‘the section of map you need is at the intersection of 4 map joins’ problem. See Peter’s post of 21st February, the bottom photo. The crossing and points into platforms 14/15 or branches are on a separate removeable section of board, and you can just see the screws keeping it aligned. Works a treat. Peter Edited March 25, 2021 by kirtleypete 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted April 8, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) I've finally been able to make a start on constructing the station roof after collecting all the bits last weekend. These are the two parts of the end screen. It has to be painted before the glazing is added. I had a trip to Halfords and the closest spray can I could find to BR Ivory was Ford Dove Grey. The screen has had two coats of primer and two of top coat on each side. While that was drying I began putting together the roof ribs; I am going to complete a quarter of the roof and then take it down to put in place before doing the rest. Nothing is glued here, it's all just clipped together for the moment. It's time I got some new cutting mats! This section will also need to be painted before the end screen can be attached. Peter Edited April 8, 2021 by kirtleypete 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Seriously impressive. Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted April 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) We're getting there David! The roof has moved on again. The main structure complete, but very fragile at this stage. Without the lengths of plastic on the top if was impossible to move it; they will in due course be part of the glazed section. The roof from the other end. While this was being painted I glazed the end screen: The glazing was laser cut to be an exact fit from acrylic sheet 1mm thick. The glazed screen. I attached the glazing with tiny drops of gel Superglue and it seems to have worked well. With the main structure painted it was possible to finally join the end screen to the girders. The black rectangles are strips of card to help strengthen the join; they won't show when it's finished. You can see the curve of the roof in this picture. The lattice girders show clearly through the glazing. The next job is to build the brick side walls and the two towers that stood at the end either side of the end screen. This section will be put in place on the layout before I do the next one just to make completely sure that I've got it right. Apart from anything else I can't get two sections in the car! Peter Edited April 9, 2021 by kirtleypete 11 12 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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